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Just don't try and be a moderator

Messenger: What is up with you??? :scratch:

Do you not think I would make a good moderator?

I heard the pay stinks. :rolleyes:

I would rather run around having fun. Never been one to tell others to put a muzzle on it. I have a hard enough time just moderating myself to make me acceptable.

But if I ever decided to be a moderator ... then I would!

I would make a darn good one too!! I think my prime focus would be to moderate the moderators and stop the closing of Threads. I hate censorship!

:) LOVE
 
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Originally posted by Catchup


Messenger: What is up with you??? :scratch:

Do you not think I would make a good moderator?

I heard the pay stinks. :rolleyes:

I would rather run around having fun. Never been one to tell others to put a muzzle on it. I have a hard enough time just moderating myself to make me acceptable.

But if I ever decided to be a moderator ... then I would!

I would make a darn good one too!! I think my prime focus would be to moderate the moderators and stop the closing of Threads. I hate censorship!

:) LOVE

Well if you decide to be a moderator you have to tell your gender....this is VERY important they wouldn't want to call you sir or mrs incorrectly....They like no secrets no mysteries....Thus they make up doctrines to say how it is and you must agree with these man made up doctrines. I'll post the Creed you must agree...give me a sec.

BTW the pay is zelch...it is a charity thing but you are to be a robot who does as ordered by the Powerful Oz or the Big bad Bear however you wish to view it. Anyway let me find the Creed and post it for you...This should be on the front page as everyone who is anyone on here is to agree with this creed...or madeup doctrine.

Love God Bless Be right back
 
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Here's the creed:
The Creed that was presented in its final form reads:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father, the only begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance [homoousios] with the Father; by whom all things were made both in heaven and on earth; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man; he suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. And in the Holy Ghost. But those who say: "There was a time when he was not"; and "He was not before he was made"; and "He was made out of nothing," or "He is of another substance" or "essence," or "The Son of God is created," or "changeable," or "alterable"-they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic church.


A little scary ...you think??? Anyway we must agree to agree to this or our help is unwanted....But maybe we can ignore this if you tell us your gender....I was extremely disappointed with the immaturity of the interview panel.
They were more concerned with this Catholic doctrine than the Bible and more concerned with my gender than my mission. Anyway I'll dust off my feet and walk away.

Love and God Bless.
 
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I didn't really find anything wrong with it until this last part.

-they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic church.

Does this mean the Catholic Church is sitting in judgement in place of Christ?

Why does it matter if you are a girl or guy? Just answer na. If that is unacceptable than I would think it would be some type of sexual discrimination. I mean what difference could it possibly make? :rolleyes:

By the way are you a girl or guy??? LOL :D

I was told that I was a nice lady. You sure can't tell much by these post.

:) LOVE
 
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Gender really don't matter much to me from this board...To believe someone is closer or further from the knowledge of God based on Gender is ludicrouse to me. God is God. God gave us his only begotten Son to live so we might know how and to die so we might live. The Holy Spirit is sent by Jesus and God to show us the way....Simple but that's all I need...Not some confusing doctrine which condemns if I don't agree. Rather be condemned by man than by God.

Love and God Bless.
 
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Rather be condemned by man than by God.

I agree. I am not personally worried if someone says that I am condemned. I know God and my Saviour. I know that I am saved. I do however worry for the one who is judging.

Enough said on this subject.

:wave: Love and God Bless.
 
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Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

As you can see from John 1 that Jesus was with God in the beginning. Genesis 1:26 also proves this point when God said let "us" make man in our image. Genesis 1:2 shows you that the Holy Spirit was also their with God and Jesus in the beginning thus you have three parts of the God-head.
 
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Apology gladly accepted. Thank you.

And I agree...we can't figure out God. That's why I do my best to accept what the Scriptures plainly say...even if it makes no sense to me at all (and this happens on more issues than the Trinity!) I just serve Him and thank Him for Himself, in all His oneness!

As to Jesus sinning...I don't think that! He is the spotless lamb of God! I was just trying to show that if one says Jesus is not God, an antichrist can then twist the scripture to show that Jesus was not perfect because He did not give God the recognition He truly deserved.

Your question: "How did Jesus not know?"

When reading the gospels one finds many times that Jesus is surprised by things, that He is "astounded" at someones faith, or, even, in the case of the hour of his final return, not knowing somthing and admitting it. The answer to this is actually rather childlike, and therefore, it is important to not think about it too deeply in order to understand it, but rather to accept it as so obvious that we, in our fallen state, wouldn't have even thought of it.

Before I answer it, though, let me ask another question (rhetorical...I really don't like debating either...tends to be argueing after a while ) : If Jesus is God, how did He feel pain? How did He cry? How come He had to eat? And most importantly, how did He die?????!!!

It is important to remember that the Bible, while calling Jesus God, never denies that He is also fully man. He is 100% of two things. (Rationally this is not possible...but we must forsake ration in light of Truth) The humble and fabulously gracious act of becoming a man meant that, as God, Christ was limiting Himself for a time for one reason alone: to die for our sins, and in that, to experience absolute separation from God, that means from Himself...again something we cannot even comprehend, yet something which was essential and necessary for the payment of sin.

With that established, God, in becoming flesh and blood, limited Himself so that he could achieve His eternal purpose in Christ (Eph3:11) which is indeed, as you have very correctly ascertained, love. (a love which even we Christians cannot fully and perfectly understand, nor live, but which we receive a foretase of as we approach Him in our lives because of His limiting Himself so that He could die and conquer death!)

With that said, the fact that God limited Himself in regards to other issues is a moot point, each one open to speculation as to why, but each one obviously possible because the true limitation was simply in becoming a mortal creature.

So...Jesus did not know the hour of the end of the world because as God, He chose not to. We as humans surely can do no such thing as forget what we know on purpose, but we must not limit God. He can do anything, even forget that which He knows perfectly. Another example of this is the Father's promise to forgive our sins and "remember" them "no more" (Jer 31:34)

Why would He do this? That is for Him to know, and us to find out in heaven when we will "know even as we are known." For now, it is only for us to serve Him and accept with gratitude the knowledge which He has already given us. To do any less is to call Him a liar, when it is every man who is a liar, and God who is True!

Peace to all who seek it,


You said it VERY well. Thanks you for your writing and the time you put in to this post.
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What About 1 John 5:7

It appears that some say this scripture as been added. Hence some bibles produced and written by people who beleive the Trinity i.e. Niv bible don&#8217;t include the verse. I have heard it is not found in any of the early Greek manuscripts. But also heard it could be genuine because of its style of Greek.

However how do we explain the meaning of this text?

The word bare record (Greek mortureo) means to be a witness i.e. testify.

Matthew 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew shows how God the Father spoke from heaven with the word and how the Holy ghost came down from Heaven. So God testifies in Heaven he is the Father, word and Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

The verse above shows the heavenly manifestation of God as the Holy Ghost.

God also testifies in heaven that the Father is revealed in Jesus Christ.

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

This shows the deity of Jesus is the Father.

Isaiah 9:6
shows Jesus to be the Everlasting Father.

Father is spirit and is Holy. The father raised Jesus from the dead Ephesians 1:17-20

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The verse above shows that the Holy Ghost to be the same spirit as the father, which dwells in us in Jesus name.

Colossians 2:3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Because JESUS as all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. So then the word, the thought and plan of the mind of God. Also the expression of the mind of God such as the commands, prophecy, encouragement and the will of God is to be found in Jesus.

So God testifies in Heaven that he is Father, Word and Holy Ghost manifest in Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

The Lord fills Heaven and earth as spirit. So God the Father testifies that he fills Heaven. With is invisible spirit.

God the father also had a visible manifestation to the angels in the Old Testament and spoke the Word to them.

Conclusion: The one God as revealed 3 aspects in Heaven that he is Father, Word and Holy Ghost. Before the incarnation, during the incarnation, in the incarnation and beyond the incarnation. (In the sense that he fills the Heavens with is spirit).
 
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