For the YECs: Why is it...

ikester7579 · Mar 25, 2004

Data said:
Except relatively speaking 6 days is the same to 6 billion years in terms of a god. Any such argument is therefore the same as pronouncing that because he did it in 6 days that he has limitations and thereby is not omnipotent, it could have been instant either way.

And if it were in an instant, would that make you a believer? I think not. For we can always find fault with what we choose not to believe in.

Jet Black · Mar 25, 2004

AlHailThePowerOfJesusName said:
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I don't think that the way God created the world by a different way other than the 6 days would limit God.

you know the whole 6 day thing was rendered utterly meaningless by Einstein.

Gracchus · Mar 25, 2004

ikester7579 said:
Maybe if you could bestow the wisdom of what eternity is and how it works better with for billion years than 6 days, maybe we would understand your view point.

It is and always will be now. Now do you get it?

ikester7579 said:
But as I understand, no one here lives in eternity so there are somethings still not understood that would explain the 6 day creation over billion of years.

Some folks do live in the eternal now. Yes, and my dad could beat up your dad if he weren't dead. It is ridiculous to base your arguments on mysterious "somethings" that no one understands.

ikester7579 said:
So what is the eternity realm like that God lives in?

You will never find it if you don't stop looking for it. :wave:

ikester7579 · Mar 25, 2004

Einstein was often caught saying one thing then saying the opposite of it right after- words. But if you must use his quotes, here's one for you that's an exact quote:
"God Almighty does not throw dice" Refering to chance and accident and evolution.
In support of the creator I might add.

ifriit · Mar 25, 2004

ikester7579 said:
Einstein was often caught saying one thing then saying the opposite of it right after- words. But if you must use his quotes, here's one for you that's an exact quote:
"God Almighty does not throw dice" Refering to chance and accident and evolution.

If you're going to quote, at least do it correctly. The quote is "God does not play dice with the universe," and the quote refers to quantum mechanics and Einstein's refusal to believe its validity. It has nothing to do with evolutionary theory.

Jet Black · Mar 25, 2004

ikester7579 said:
Einstein was often caught saying one thing then saying the opposite of it right after- words. But if you must use his quotes, here's one for you that's an exact quote:
"God Almighty does not throw dice" Refering to chance and accident and evolution.

lol, no he isn't talking about that at all!

ikester7579 · Mar 25, 2004

Here is some more:
"The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"God is subtle but he is not malicious."
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

ikester7579 · Mar 25, 2004

ifriit said:
If you're going to quote, at least do it correctly. The quote is "God does not play dice with the universe," and the quote refers to quantum mechanics and Einstein's refusal to believe its validity. It has nothing to do with evolutionary theory.

Funny that I can go to several different sites and get quotes that are different as you have shown, including books. Which I wonder if anyone knew exactly what he said or meant. :scratch:

ikester7579 · Mar 25, 2004

Gracchus said:
It is and always will be now. Now do you get it?

Some folks do live in the eternal now.

Who?

Yes, and my dad could beat up your dad if he weren't dead.

yep, when you can't answer question personal insults are the next best thing. Anything for a laugh. Even at the expence of your dad :sigh:

It is ridiculous to base your arguments on mysterious "somethings" that no one understands.

You will never find it if you don't stop looking for it.

LOL, that's funny. With everything you made look stupid is exactly how science approaches the unknown.

Jet Black · Mar 25, 2004

ikester7579 said:
Funny that I can go to several different sites and get quotes that are different as you have shown, including books. Which I wonder if anyone knew exactly what he said or meant.

the differences are probably differences in the translation from German, since the quote comes from a discussion about Quantum Mechanics between Einstein and Born;

"Quantum mechanics is very impressive. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory yields a lot, but it hardly brings us any closer to the secret of the Old One. In any case I am convinced that He doesn't play dice."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) , letter to Max Born, 4 Dec 1926

SonworshipEternal · Mar 25, 2004

Well, it is unfortunate that he doesn't believe because of the wonderful joy involved in seeking God!

Nonetheless, what was being pointed out was that the original author had no other intention than to say God created everything just the way the text describes.

nyj · Mar 25, 2004

ikester7579 said:
Maybe if you could bestow the wisdom of what eternity is and how it works better with for billion years than 6 days, maybe we would understand your view point.

Eh?

Q. What does that have to do with anything?
A. Absolutely nothing.

But as I understand, no one here lives in eternity so there are somethings still not understood that would explain the 6 day creation over billion of years.

Compared to eternity, six days and billions of years are but small knots in the string of time. Which is really besides the point. What I want to know is why YECers insist on 144 hours. Why is 144 hours so important to them.

So what is the eternity realm like that God lives in?

I don't know. If you beat me to it, come back and let me know, ok? It'll certainly put my mind at ease and might even convert a few of the atheists/agnostics.

Roman Soldier · Mar 25, 2004

What does the middle verse of the middle book of the Bible say again? Trust God, and not humans?

Why do people trust what is written by men over God's creation, then?

Bushido216 · Mar 25, 2004

ikester7579 said:
Funny that I can go to several different sites and get quotes that are different as you have shown, including books. Which I wonder if anyone knew exactly what he said or meant.

Except you're the only one who finds these magically created quotes of yours.

nyj · Mar 25, 2004

Roman Soldier said:
What does the middle verse of the middle book of the Bible say again? Trust God, and not humans?

Depends on which Bible you use. For Catholics/Orthodox, the middle book of the Bible is different from that of Protestants.

Roman Soldier said:
Why do people trust what is written by men over God's creation, then?

I trust the fact that God gave me a brain whereby I could utilize logic and reason and apply it to my life. When I see data that tells me that the world is much older than 6,000 years old, and then people (YECers) tell me that God is testing us, which is basically a big lie, and reason tells me that if God is good that God cannot lie... you're right... I don't trust what is written by men (YECers).

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