world war III

DAVE . Yep you could be right , I'm not dismissing Russia either . By the way Dave ! I think RKF has been raptured and we have been left behind , what's worse is we have been left behind with Benny Hinn . HA HA

If your out there RKF I got a good one for ya . Same search engine , search : spirit daily .

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Thank you,
John

Hello Bear . Please forgive my ignorence , but what exactly is a preterist point of view ? what is it that I have said that causes you to accuse me of being a preterist ?. Someone else accused me of this , and I am totaly confused as to why . Thank you .

Brian,

I don't think Bear was talking to you personally.

Basically, the preterist view is all prophecy was fullfilled 2000 years ago, or 70AD. Which means that the "end times" happened a long time ago and is ancient history.

This forum is for the view that end times are a future event.

I believe that World War III began on Sept. 11, 2001 and will not be finished until the rapture, followed by the first phase of Ezekiel 38 and soon after that the tribulation. Only time will tell, but our time is so short I can feel it in my bones!!!

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
I believe that World War III began on Sept. 11, 2001 and will not be finished until the rapture, followed by the first phase of Ezekiel 38 and soon after that the tribulation. Only time will tell, but our time is so short I can feel it in my bones!!!

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Wow, thunder, I think you are right! I'm still not completely sure about the rapture, tho. But I do think WW III has begun. Waiting now to see what India does.

Thanks AUNTIE . An addmisitrator got back to me on that question as well , and guess what ? I'm not a preterist . And thanks again for going out of your way . I think you might be right Rollin , things are certainly hotting up on the political front . If not this year then maybe next , I feel it too , somethings going to happen soon .

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Thanks AUNTIE . An addmisitrator got back to me on that question as well , and guess what ? I'm not a preterist .

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Yer welcome, no prob.

I never thought you were a preterist. I remember a member accused you of that and I wondered where they got that idea.

Because our communication with each other is flat text, sometimes it's easy for us to misunderstand each other.

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Wow, thunder, I think you are right! I'm still not completely sure about the rapture, tho. But I do think WW III has begun. Waiting now to see what India does.

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Hi Auntie,
I must be on your trail this morning. It seems I am following where you left off.

Do you mean you are unsure of the rapture happening before Eze.38? I couldn't have made that statement before 9-11, but after the Lord showed me a little piece of the puzzle, I believe that scripture proves it.

What I see when I look at Eze.38 is Russia and the terrorists. I see no America. Why? In my mind, there are two possibilities. #1 - America was blown off the map, or #2 - The rapture totally devistated the leader of the coalition that was fighting against terrorism.

I reject possibility #1, because I believe that God will deliver the people that love Him before judgment comes on the unbelieving world. Just like the promise that God made to Abraham, when He saved Lot and his family, I believe that He will also save us. Notice Rev.3:10, we are not kept from the trouble, but from the time of trouble, which tells me we won't be here. Glory to God!!!!!!!

Rollin, your statement to auntie made me think of something. Remember when Jesus was talking about "this generation" being evil, and how they search after a sign, and no sign shall be given? But the sign of Jonah, who waited three days in the belly of the fish. What happened; well that wicked land Nineveh was spared because all the people heeded Jonahs words and repented. So Jonah was angry that God had not done what he said he would, and Gods answer to him was this: (after Jonahs stubborness)

Should I not spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left?

What if, America is the modern day Nineveh, and this is Gods sign, the one that would not be given?
Make any sense?
Wildfire

Originally posted by Wildfire
Rollin,
Should I not spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left?

What if, America is the modern day Nineveh, and this is Gods sign, the one that would not be given?
Make any sense?
Wildfire

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Hello Wildfire,
This is an excellent question, but unfortunately it is one I can't answer. The only thing I could do is give you my best guess. I could also tell you what I would hope. I know that America will at least be temporarily unable to respond after the rapture, and that is about as far as I could take you about America. I was in the military for six years, and I sure love the land that the Lord chose for me to be born in. I would hope that she is down only temporarily and rise to the occasion and defete the Anti-christ's evil system. But I must be honest, that senario doesn't look very promising, because the Bible says that all nations will gather for battle in Jerusalem, and these nations will also fight against the Lords return. Some people even believe that America will be Nuked and destroyed. I can only hope that isn't the case. One thing for sure, the saints will be overcome in the tribulation. I wish I had these answers, but I must confess that I just don't know.

oh, I really appreciate you honesty Rollin, it greives me too to talk about this.
Can I ask, what you meant about America not responding after the rapture... since this occurs after the tribulation (or I think so) will we be the ones suffering through it, or is that only in the middle east.
Sorry for all of the questions, I am just enjoying the conversation.
Wildfire

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oh, I really appreciate you honesty Rollin, it greives me too to talk about this.
Can I ask, what you meant about America not responding after the rapture... since this occurs after the tribulation (or I think so) will we be the ones suffering through it, or is that only in the middle east.
Sorry for all of the questions, I am just enjoying the conversation.
Wildfire

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Hello Wildfire,
No need to apologize for asking questions friend. I think questions are a good thing. It is more foolish not to ask. They are good for you because you may gain knowledge. The very fact that you are asking proves that you are seeking, but be careful to weigh the answers and hold them up to the light of the scriptures. Take no ones word for anything when it comes to the word, not even mine. There are a lot of deceivers out there, and we should always be on guard. There is only one truth, but many counterfeits. I like questions, especially the ones I have the answer to.

Sorry about running on and on, but we really need to heed Jesus' command, "Do not be deceived". Now, about your question. The first thing you should know about my point of view is that I am pre-trib all the way. I believe the Lord revealed to me that the most devastating part of the rapture will be a total economic collapse in America, and then spread also around the world. Then, not only that, but can you imagine our government responding to the most trying crisis in it's history without the leadership of the President and many other leaders in his cabinet? Who's going to call the shots immediately after the rapture?

To learn more about what I believe, read my thread "WHERE IS AMERICA IN THE LAST DAYS?". It's truely from the Lord, but I can't prove it, and neither can anyone else prove otherwise. I'm sure there are some people just waiting to prove me wrong, but if they are waiting for that, they are watching and waiting for the wrong thing and I believe it will be too late when it happens, and they will be caught in a trap. But I'm not saying that you have to be pre-trib to be raptured. Some mid and post tribbers will also be raptured if they overcome the world. But they will be totally surprised when they get snatched outa here.
Hope this helps, See ya.

I know what you mean, I am currently tackling something with the preterists in the other forum, and it isn't easy.
I have never understood the rapture, and why we would get "snatched". Doesn't Jesus tell us it is good to suffer for his name, and that those who seek to save their lives will lose it? Isn't that why those who were clothed in white (who came out of the tribulation) were treated so special; because they had been beheaded for defending his name?
I keep thinking the USA will be overrun by arabs one day, and christianity will be dead because of the fear of not bowing to the almighty godless Muhammad. it sounds crazy, I know, but the truth is that they're already here.

Wildfire

rollinTHUNDER

...I believe that God will deliver the people that love Him before judgment comes on the unbelieving world...

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Is the entire tribulation God's judgment? I believe God's judgment doesn't come until the 7 vials of wrath at the end of the tribulation (Revelation 15:4, Revelation 16:7), and none of them are directed at us Christians.

...Rev.3:10...

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Note that Revelation 3:10 doesn't promise the church a pre-trib rapture, but simply promised the 1st century church of Philadelphia that it would be kept from the hour of trial, which was probably a great persecution in their own time.

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rollinTHUNDER
Is the entire tribulation God's judgment? I believe God's judgment doesn't come until the 7 vials of wrath at the end of the tribulation (Revelation 15:4, Revelation 16:7), and none of them are directed at us Christians.

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I believe that the entire 7 year tribulation can also be classified as "Jacobs Trouble", or Israels punishment for rejecting the true Messiah and putting their hope and trust in the Anti-christ. I believe that God's judgment will begin by God letting unbelieving Israel choose the false christ. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the church will be here for this judgment. Half of the church will already be in heaven. These will be the five wise virgins of Matt. 25. Notice that there is no more mention of the church after chapter 3 in Revelation. But there is mention made of saints that keep their testamony of Christ. These are the five foolish virgins that weren't prepared when their Bridegroom came. They must refuse the mark of the beast, and keep the testamony of Christ. For this they will be martyrs.

Well if Postrib is right, when the anti-christ signs the treaty, we will know that we have exactly 2520 days till the rapture takes place, and CHRIST comes back to rule the world. We will know exactly, the day of the rapture. Of course I am pre-trib in my belief, but I will say I can't prove it to anyone. Peace, but not yet.

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Are the great multitude of us Christians in the tribulation "of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Revelation 7:9, 14) all Israel?

...when the anti-christ signs the treaty, we will know that we have exactly 2520 days till the rapture takes place...

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What scripture are you thinking of here, so we can see what it says?