can any one plz tell me where in the Qur'an does it explain the creation of earth. i cant find it.
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bahaiguy said:
The skies and earth once were one mass, Allah split them asunder, and He created all living things from water
21:30
Have not the unbelievers ever considered that the skies and the earth were once one mass, then We split them asunder? And We have created every living thing from water. Will they still not believe?
21:31
And We have planted mountains on earth lest it should tilt to one side with them (the weight of people) and We left between them open passages so that they may find the right direction.
21:32
And We have made the sky a safe canopy: yet they are heedless to these signs.
21:33
He is the One Who has created the night and the day and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) move swiftly in an orbit of their own.
http://www.creationofuniverse.com/html/bigbang_04.html
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Warghaha wrote:
What is "Allah'u'Abha"? AFAIK, there's only Allahu Akbar.
Does Bahai is a branch of Islam?
My reply:
Baha'is use "Allah'u'Abha" (God is most glorious) as our greeting.
In Baha'i history you could say that the early Babis were Muslims who recognized the Bab as Mahdi and fulfillment of prophecies and soon they became separate from Islam. Most Babis or followers of the Bab recognized Baha'u'llah and became Baha'is after 1863. Thus Baha'is have a historical relationship you could say with Islam but are now a separate independent religion somewhat like the early Christians when they emerged from Judaism.
Baha'is still accept Qur'an as a revealed Holy Book and Muhammad as a Messenger of God.
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What is "Allah'u'Abha"? AFAIK, there's only Allahu Akbar.
Does Bahai is a branch of Islam?
My reply:
Baha'is use "Allah'u'Abha" (God is most glorious) as our greeting.
In Baha'i history you could say that the early Babis were Muslims who recognized the Bab as Mahdi and fulfillment of prophecies and soon they became separate from Islam. Most Babis or followers of the Bab recognized Baha'u'llah and became Baha'is after 1863. Thus Baha'is have a historical relationship you could say with Islam but are now a separate independent religion somewhat like the early Christians when they emerged from Judaism.
Baha'is still accept Qur'an as a revealed Holy Book and Muhammad as a Messenger of God.
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Arthra said:
Interesting, If you still accept Qur'an as a revealed book from God and Muhammad as a messenger of God then you do realize
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Surely those who divide the religion into sects and identify themselves as a sect, O Muhammad, you have nothing to do with them. Their case will be called to account by Allah Himself, He will inform them as to what they did.
6:160
Whoever does one good deed, he will be given credit for ten similar good deeds, and whoever does one bad deed will be punished for only one, and no one will be treated unjustly.
I don't understand why you call your religion as a seperate religion and still accept Qur'aan and Prophet?
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Thanks Book of Knowledge for your question!
Book of knowledge asked:
I don't understand why you call your religion as a seperate religion and still accept Qur'aan and Prophet?
My comment:
If you consider that Christians accept Torah and the Gospels and Muslims accept Torah, Gospels and Qur'an, then Baha'is can accept also what went before as well as the Baha'i Writings.
Baha'is do not identify themselves as a separate "sect" but rather as new revealed religion or dispensation.
A verse in Holy Qur'an:
"And if all the trees of the world were pens and the ocean (were ink) with seven oceans behind it to add to it, yet would the word of Allah not be exhausted; for Allah is Exalted in power, full of wisdom."
- Qur'an 31:27
We believe that the words of God are inexhaustible and that they will continue to be revealed according to the needs of the time.
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Book of knowledge asked:
I don't understand why you call your religion as a seperate religion and still accept Qur'aan and Prophet?
My comment:
If you consider that Christians accept Torah and the Gospels and Muslims accept Torah, Gospels and Qur'an, then Baha'is can accept also what went before as well as the Baha'i Writings.
Baha'is do not identify themselves as a separate "sect" but rather as new revealed religion or dispensation.
A verse in Holy Qur'an:
"And if all the trees of the world were pens and the ocean (were ink) with seven oceans behind it to add to it, yet would the word of Allah not be exhausted; for Allah is Exalted in power, full of wisdom."
- Qur'an 31:27
We believe that the words of God are inexhaustible and that they will continue to be revealed according to the needs of the time.
- Art
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Arthra said:
There is no room for another religion when you accept Qur'aan and Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Allah has already completed his favor upon mankind. What is left is nothing but the sign's of the dooms day. Prophet Muhammad (SAW)was the last Prophet. don't you remember Allah has already completed his favors?
5:3
............. Today I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and approved Al-Islam as a Deen (way of life for you). Anyone who is compelled by hunger to eat what is forbidden, not intending to commit sin, will find Allah Forgiving, Merciful.
33:40
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men (he is not going to leave any male heirs). He is the Rasool of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets. Allah has the knowledge of all things.
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Number 1519 - Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "I am the leader (qa'id) of the messengers, and this is no boast; I am the seal of the prophets, and this is no boast; and I shall be the first to make intercession and the first whose intercession is accepted, and this is no boast."
Darimi transmitted it.
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Montalban said:
Creation of man is not harder than the creation of heavens, earth and its contents
79:27
O mankind, is your creation harder than the heaven that He built?
79:28
He raised its canopy and fashioned it to perfection,
79:29
He gave darkness to the night and brightness to the day.
79:30
After that He spread out the earth,
79:31
then from it He brought forth its water and its pasture,
79:32
set its mountains,
79:33
and made them beneficial for you and your cattle.
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Book of Knowledge:
What was completed was for that day but Baha'is believe there has already occurred a renewed message and a judgement:
"Never comes to them of a renewed message from their Lord, but they listen to it as in jest."
- Qur'an 21:2
"And there comes not to them a newly revealed Message from (Allah) Most Gracious but they turn away therefrom."
- Qur'an 26:5
What was completed was for that day but Baha'is believe there has already occurred a renewed message and a judgement:
"Never comes to them of a renewed message from their Lord, but they listen to it as in jest."
- Qur'an 21:2
"And there comes not to them a newly revealed Message from (Allah) Most Gracious but they turn away therefrom."
- Qur'an 26:5
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Arthra said:
I will try my best to explain this but remember one thing that I can't accept half of Qur'aan and Reject the rest of Qur'aan.
Allah has always sent Prophets and communicated through Prophets to Mankind, now Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the seal of Prophethood hence Qur'aan is the last Message.
Arthra said:
Read all the following verses and tell me is not Qur'aan which is being refered in that verse?
The day of accountability is getting closer but the disbelievers are still heedless to the admonition and disputing as to how Rasool can be a human beings
21:1
The Day of Accountability for mankind is getting closer and closer, yet they are heedless and are turning away from the admonition.
21:2
They listen with ridicule to each fresh warning that comes to them from their Rabb and remain engaged in the sports.
21:3
Their hearts are preoccupied with worldly affairs; these wrongdoers say to each other in private: "Is this man (Muhammad) not a human being like yourselves? Would you follow witchcraft with your eyes open?"
21:4
Tell them: "My Rabb has knowledge of every word which is spoken in the heavens and the earth, and He hears all and knows all."
21:5
"Rather," some of them say, "this Qur'an is jumble of dreams!" Others say: "He has made it all up!" And yet others say: "He is a poet!" Let him bring to us a sign as did the former Rasools."
21:6
The fact, however, is that even though We showed Signs to the prior people, not a single nation before them, which We destroyed, ever believed. Will they believe?
21:7
The Rasools which We sent before you, O Muhammad, were also human to whom We sent revelation. If you, O objectors, do not know this, then ask the people of the reminder (Jews and Christians).
21:8
We did not give them bodies which could survive without food, nor were they immortal.
21:9
Then We fulfilled Our promise with them: We saved them and those whom We pleased, and destroyed the transgressors.
21:10
Now, O People, We have sent down to you a Book (The Qur'an) which deals with matters concerning yourselves; why don't you understand?
Arthra said:
Read all the following verses and tell me is not Qur'aan which is being refered in that verse?
Dedication of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for the guidance of mankind
26:1
Tua Sin M'im.
26:2
These are verses of the Glorious Book.
26:3
O Muhammad, you will perhaps fret yourself to death with grief because they do not believe.
26:4
If We wanted, We could send down upon them a sign from the heaven before which they would bend their necks in submission, but that is not what We want.
26:5
They have been turning their backs on each fresh warning that comes to them from the Compassionate (Allah).
26:6
But now that they have neglected the warning, they will soon come to know the reality of what they have been mocking at.
26:7
Have they not looked at the earth to see how We have caused all kinds of noble pairs to grow in it?
26:8
Surely in this there is a sign; yet most of them do not believe.
26:9
In fact your Rabb is the Mighty as well as the Merciful.
26:10
Remind them of the story when your Rabb called Musa (Moses) and said: "Go to the wicked people
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Wargaha wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
So what's differences between Baha'i and Islam? If there's no major difference, then I think there's no need for another religion.
My reply:
Baha'is accept that there is really only been one religion of God down through the ages but conditions of humanity change as well as circumstances so Gid reveals a New Message periodically to dust off the old prejudices and misunderstandings of the past..
Essentially the Baha'i Faith has it's own revealed Holy Writings and ordinances suited for today. Baha'u'llah also abrogated previous laws such as Jihad.
Baha'i principles such as the equality of men and women, race unity, and establishing a world parliamentary system, and having harmony between science and religion are also timely needs.
One of the purposes of religion we believe is to carry forward an ever advancing civilization.
The issues Book of Knowledge raised here are basically similar to those raised between Christians and Jews and Muslims that is, why should we need a new dispensation to succeed the former one(s). The answer can be found in the passage of time..man begins to add his own understanding to the intial revelation thus adding partners to God adn that man's capacity for new truth grows in time.
- Art
Thanks for the clarification.
So what's differences between Baha'i and Islam? If there's no major difference, then I think there's no need for another religion.
My reply:
Baha'is accept that there is really only been one religion of God down through the ages but conditions of humanity change as well as circumstances so Gid reveals a New Message periodically to dust off the old prejudices and misunderstandings of the past..
Essentially the Baha'i Faith has it's own revealed Holy Writings and ordinances suited for today. Baha'u'llah also abrogated previous laws such as Jihad.
Baha'i principles such as the equality of men and women, race unity, and establishing a world parliamentary system, and having harmony between science and religion are also timely needs.
One of the purposes of religion we believe is to carry forward an ever advancing civilization.
The issues Book of Knowledge raised here are basically similar to those raised between Christians and Jews and Muslims that is, why should we need a new dispensation to succeed the former one(s). The answer can be found in the passage of time..man begins to add his own understanding to the intial revelation thus adding partners to God adn that man's capacity for new truth grows in time.
- Art
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Do the bahai's anticipate a new messenger in the future?
according to the arthra, the message of God gets renewed according to the needs of the time. has there been a new messenger prophesized in your scripture who has yet to come, if so then how will you identify that prophet.
according to the arthra, the message of God gets renewed according to the needs of the time. has there been a new messenger prophesized in your scripture who has yet to come, if so then how will you identify that prophet.
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Can I just point out that an egg is not a sphere. A sphere is like a ball flattened on top and bottom. An egg is eliptical at one end, and flatter at the bottom.urnotme said:
Eggs are more oval, but they're different top from bottom
A sphere is a sphere because it's not an egg-shape.
Below is a picture of a ball and an egg (sorry about the crack, I dropped it)
Take the ball and flatten the top and bottom a little, (not so much as to make it an oval - which is a ball with flattened top and bottom, but extended sides) and you have an idea of the difference between the two.
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