How does God feel about those who drink alcohol or smoke marijuana?

To Messenger:

we just can't be stupid.

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And there, my Friend, you have just summed up ALL SIN. Amen!


Peace be with you,
~VOW

Originally posted by humblejoe


I suppose cough syrup would apply here as well.



In case you don't know, that Scripture is concerning the just leadership of a king while carrying out his daily duties. Don't take things out of context.



*SIGH*

Once again Julie, you have mistaken drinking alcoholic beverages for drunkeness. Oh, and let's examine Proverbs 20:1 again, but this time, let's use an accurate translation.

Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise. - Proverbs 20:1, NASB

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AMEN!! Excellent post!

Missy

I like the witness arguments (it's not a good witness)
I like the family argument (did your mother and father teach you to smoke and drink?)
I like health argument (our body is a temple)

All great arguments.

I also like the Biblical arguments: being drunk is not wise, ect. ect. Strong drink.......such as this....

If you add it all up....hmmmmm God is not for it, my family is not for it, it's bad for my body.........let me think.......what will I do?.

As Dr Laura always says: "Now go do the right thing"

It's really sad that some Christians can't give up something for God (which if anyone read my first post, the Bible has more than conclusive proof that its ok) without wanting everyone else to give it up.

Yes, Mike, my parents taught me to drink responsibily, to treat God's gift as a gift not to be abused. There is no stronger witness than a man who can stop drinking after one drink.

Beer and wine do not hurt the body when used in moderation. It is constant abuse which is unhealthy to the body.

Altya, friend...I was a Christian who came to churhc high. I could not stop smoking, but I had heard the good news and accepted it. I had faith, and I prayed for help to quit, and God led me to do so in His time. But, that does not mean that I was not in Christ until I quit. God loves you just the way you are, but He won't leave you that way. Yet to say such a thing as you said effectively condemned my faith. But I forgive you!

Peace to all who seek it,
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I think that it was a good point to make that although drunkenness and use of drugs are sins, they don't condemn you and they don't separate you from God's love. Each sin is equally wrong, and drug use won't keep you from salvation if you accept Jesus.

Othniel,

My older brother took one drink and then took his last 25 years later after losing in every way you can imagine. Some can take one drink,,some will take one and never stop.
You can say that He was a weaker man than you are but I have never met a stronger man than he. I watched him over the past few years trying to put his life together for the first time in his life.

I am not much good in a drinking discussion.

Blessings

I would never say he was weaker than me, but he probably had a different weakness then me. I've fought my own battles with sin and am in no position to assume it is my strength that has brought me through. It is Christ's power and God's Word, the same thing which tells me that if I can drink without being given to drunkeness, it is perfectly godly. My great concern is when Christians add to Scripture, as some of this argument against alcohol has been.

Thank you for your frank admission.

Oh...and we know that Christ drank. He was called a drunkard (Luke 7:34). You cannot call someone a drunkard if they have never had a drink.

Peace to all who seek it,
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Originally posted by eldermike
I like the witness arguments (it's not a good witness)
I like the family argument (did your mother and father teach you to smoke and drink?)
I like health argument (our body is a temple)

All great arguments.

I also like the Biblical arguments: being drunk is not wise, ect. ect. Strong drink.......such as this....

If you add it all up....hmmmmm God is not for it, my family is not for it, it's bad for my body.........let me think.......what will I do?.

As Dr Laura always says: "Now go do the right thing"

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I like Dr. Laura..and she drinks wine..I have heard her say it before on her show..

Missy

As for other drugs, such as marijuana, the Bible is against such things. The Old and New Testaments both condemn sorcery and witchcraft. The Greek word translated "witchcraft" (Galatians 5:20), "magic arts" (Revelation 9:21), and "magic spell" (Rev. 18:23) is pharmakeia, the word from which we get "pharmacy" and "pharmaceutical."

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Does this mean that aspirin is a sin?

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.

Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.

Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed [are] pure; but [it is] evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Rom 14:21 [It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have [it] to thyself before God. Happy [is] he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

No, I don't think taking aspirin is a sin. It takes the argument of the drugs harming our bodies (God's temples) to decide what is wrong. Drugs such as marijuana and cocaine are simply harmful to our bodies, however, medicinal drugs help to preserve God's creation, so I would have to say that the line between sin/not sin is whether the drug is harmful/helpful.

I am 53, my problem with drinking is not all a biblical one, it's more to do with living long enough to see it for what it is. I have to agree that the bible dosn't lead me to beleive that drinking in moderation is sin. Breaking the law is sin, that is clear to me. My problem with drinking is what I have seen it do to the lives of family (my brother) and friends. If you drink socially with friends then you are drinking with people that have a problem; You will see that later. If you yourself ever need a drink, stop.

I never had a problem with drinking. I stopped totally when it became more important to me to be with my recovering friends than to drink.

I have been in music all my life and for some reason creative people are the most self destructive types.

Be careful this stuff is a family killer.

Blessings

No, I don't think taking aspirin is a sin. It takes the argument of the drugs harming our bodies (God's temples) to decide what is wrong. Drugs such as marijuana and cocaine are simply harmful to our bodies, however, medicinal drugs help to preserve God's creation, so I would have to say that the line between sin/not sin is whether the drug is harmful/helpful.

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There are published reports stating that marijuana can help with combating the side effects of chemotherapy, help control bipolar mood disorder, and even help asthma.

great scriptures, Mandy!

To Eldermike:

When you have a family member who abuses drugs, it literally cuts your heart out. My husband's sister lived wtih us, and she must have tried everything floating in the toilet of the drug culture. It was many, many years before I could enjoy a single drink. I sounded like Carrie Nation for a long time.

I rarely drink now, because the stuff gives me a headache.

But once you've seen first hand the damage that drug and alcohol abuse does, it's hard to understand how people can talk about "social drinking." They may as well be saying that they eat rat poison for fun.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

Peacebestill,
In cases like that I don't think marijuana would be sin. I think the point lies in whether the drug is going to act helpfully or harmfully, like I saidin my last post.

Vow,

Amen to that. I am now seeing the generational issue of drug abuse with the grown children of these wrecked families. Drugs reach far into the future.

Blessings

To Eldermike:

Once the genetic code is cracked for everyone, I won't be surprised to see if there isn't a familial gene for alcoholism/drug abuse potential. I think that drugs satisfy a need in certain individuals, and this definitely passes from one generation to the next. Unfortunately, it seems EACH generation must learn the hard way that the only way to handle this genetic defect is to never touch the stuff.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

UnderdogEnt, I fully agree, and Mandys scriptures hit the nail on the head.
Personally, I believe marijuana abuse to be the equivalent of drunkeness.

Vow,

Amen!!

I am Promise Keeper (for life). It's a place where boys become men. Pray for PK, even if you don't agree with everyting they do. One thing they do well is show men that they are the key to generational sin. Anyone can be bilogical father but to be a mentor takes a committed life. To raise up a child "in the way" means 24 -7 we live with "God in us". There is not a time in the day when we can become "adults" and some other time when we become parents. It's a committed life, that works, all day, all days. NO drugs....No drink..... It's not about us, never has been.



Blessings

Blessings