Originally posted by Mandy
Just look at a map. Israel's enemies will come from the north. They will come from the uttermost parts of the north.
Just look at the Bible -and stick with that.
Originally posted by Mandy
1 Corinthians 15, 1 and 2 Thess show that Paul was teaching about the rapture and a physical resurrection of the dead.
A rather blanket statement but you make no case for it.
Originally posted by Mandy
The thing I find strange is that there is a record of the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, yet no one seemed to notice that Jesus had returned. You would think that even one who was not saved would have recorded something, because as Scripture states more than once and even Jesus himself said that every eye would wee Him.
Maybe Jesus should have repeated himself a few times -because folk keep reading over it -surely it's not being ignored, I mean he did say it -I guess he meant it:
Luke 17:20 And when he was
demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said,
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
You mentioned 2Tim 2:18 -a really good verse that totally
debunks your "
physical resurrection" whim.
2Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
You would have to imagine that for someones faith to be overthrown by these guy's teaching, that it must have been pretty potent -especially since we're talking 1st Century saints. If the resurrection under question was in relation to a "physical resurrection"
out of biological death -with reconstituted bodies popping out of graves everywhere [
the common futurist expectation and teaching], as opposed to a spiritual resurrection with Christ, it is difficult to explain how anyone could believe, or have lead others to believe, that such a physical resurrection had taken place -it hardly seems logical.
You would think that if Paul ever taught a physical resurrection from biological death that
the obvious would be self evident -
open graves everywhere, for remember -Hymanaeus and Philetus were saying "the resurrection has already past!" And yet -total silence. Not only that -the continuation of people dying would put-paid to this
silly notion that the resurrection that Paul taught was physical.
Yet in all that, Paul doesn't appeal to any of this -as what would be contradictory evidence, -
being the lack of it, WERE THEY TALKING A PHYSICAL RESURRECTION. It is clear that Hymanaeus and Philetus and Paul knew and taught
NOTHING of a physical resurrection. Paul ONLY rebukes them over their
TIMING of the resurrection -NOT the
NATURE of it -for they, like the rest of
the 1st century saints understood the spiritual nature of the literal event -which for them was yet to come, but for us now -
past and fulfilled.
davo