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As we all know this is How the World looks today as far as Culture goes.

Dark Green = Christianity

Light Green = Partial Christianity

Red = Muslim

Purple Eastern Religions.

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Well it is easy to see why there are only Three Kingdoms mentioned in End Times prophecy……………….there is the king of the North the king of the South and the kings of the East.

So now Lets look At Daniel which gives us a Blow by Blow account of events leading up to Christ’s return.

Dan 11:40:At the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

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Dan 11:40:…………….: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

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Dan 11:41: He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42: He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43: But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Obad:1:18: And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

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Dan 11:44: But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45: And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Rev 16: 12: And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13: And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

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11: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.12: His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.14: And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

21:1: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Isa 2:2: And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3: And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
 

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Sorry, but I have a problem with your colored maps. How is it that African's are only partial christians? This is so wrong it makes me want to scream, and I'm not from Africa or even have roots there.

True christianity is probably only seen in Africa. There, people who choose to accept Christ as their Savior. must live through REAL suffering and persections. Do we see that here in North America? Please. How about Europe? Nope. China breeds stronger christians as well as in Africa, regardless of their status as a communist country. In China and Africa we see true believers taking a stand for Christ, dying for their faith. I dont see that anywhere else in the world.
You need to change that map of yours for it is very wrong.

God bless,
Lucas
 
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If you read the First line it says Culture It is not meant as a map of the personal faith of people. Get a grip.

Africa has many cultures that are not Christian and many places that do not keep Christian traditions. It also has many that are and do hence it is light Green.
 
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LucasGoltz said:
Sorry, but I have a problem with your colored maps. How is it that African's are only partial christians? This is so wrong it makes me want to scream, and I'm not from Africa or even have roots there.

True christianity is probably only seen in Africa. There, people who choose to accept Christ as their Savior. must live through REAL suffering and persections. Do we see that here in North America? Please. How about Europe? Nope. China breeds stronger christians as well as in Africa, regardless of their status as a communist country. In China and Africa we see true believers taking a stand for Christ, dying for their faith. I dont see that anywhere else in the world.
You need to change that map of yours for it is very wrong.

God bless,
Lucas

Please don't question the faith of entrie nations.
 
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Just The Facts said:
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If you read the First line it says Culture It is not meant as a map of the personal faith of people. Get a grip.
My grip is rather tight. It seems from this thread, yours is rather weak.

Just The Facts said:
Africa has many cultures that are not Christian and many places that do not keep Christian traditions.
The very same can be said about North American countries, European countries, etc. Matter of fact, this is the case for most of the world.
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It also has many that are and do hence it is light Green.
Do some research about African culture before you post ignorance. It is not "light green", and furthermore, such a color scheme is rather laughable. I dont think anyone, in all honesty, can say that North America is a christian continent. We may, as a majority, claim to believe in God, but that doesnt even begin to constitute a christian nation. Just because there is a rat in the cookie jar, that doesnt mean its a cookie.
I give true christianity to the believers that give up everything for Christ, including their lives. It just so happens that this is more prevalent in Africa.
God bless my African brothers and sisters setting the right example.
 
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HI

Once again you ramble on about how everyone else is not Christian but you miss the point this is culture not a measure of one's faith.

By the Way who are you to say who and who is not a Christian.

As Far as I am concerned anyone who claims Jesus as their saviour is Christian and far be it for me to be their judge. I see you prefer to take that role upon yourself.

here is a link that gives some breakdown on the mix of religion in the African continent.

Countries like America and France and Germany and other Western Nations have anywhere from 80 to 95% Christian population.

Most Nations in the bottom half of Africa have less than 40% Christian population.

here is a link that gives some breakdown on the mix of religion in the Southern African continent. The North of Africa is predominantly Muslim.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/areas/africa.htm

I understand that the maps show a reality that is not in line with your narrow view of Scripture.................But oh well such is life.
 
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Just The Facts said:
HI

Once again you ramble on about how everyone else is not Christian but you miss the point this is culture not a measure of one's faith.

By the Way who are you to say who and who is not a Christian.

As Far as I am concerned anyone who claims Jesus as their saviour is Christian and far be it for me to be their judge. I see you prefer to take that role upon yourself.

here is a link that gives some breakdown on the mix of religion in the African continent.

Countries like America and France and Germany and other Western Nations have anywhere from 80 to 95% Christian population.

Most Nations in the bottom half of Africa have less than 40% Christian population.

here is a link that gives some breakdown on the mix of religion in the Southern African continent. The North of Africa is predominantly Muslim.

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/areas/africa.htm

I understand that the maps show a reality that is not in line with your narrow view of Scripture.................But oh well such is life.

when i have more time to reply to this, ill pick it apart and show where you are wrong. until then, this last post gets :doh: :doh: :doh: rating. blah!
 
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Lucus my friend, I find it rather sad that you being a christian talking about "real christians who suffer" do it in such a unloving way. You can argue all day long here but the moment you insult people ( like you have done to people in this room and christians throughout the west) is the moment you failed to display the greatest quality a christian is to posses. Love! Don't you understand that you can give your body to be burned but if you don't have love you have not gained a thing? "TRUE CHRISTIANITY" as you put is found in one word....Love, something you need to practice my friend. Because you are not very loving to people you disagree with.
I agree with you that to die for your faith is to be admired but why did you forget to be kind to people in this room and people all over? Why did you forget to love?
 
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Just The Facts said:
Countries like America and France and Germany and other Western Nations have anywhere from 80 to 95% Christian population.

"...a person is considered to be of a particular religion if they say that they are of that faith. Thus, about 75% of the adults in both the U.S. and Canada are Christians. Many individuals and religious groups have much more strict definitions for membership. Many conservative Christians believe that one has to be "born again" in order to be counted as a Christian. Using this definition, only about 35% of Americans would be counted as Christians."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

Just because I call myself a tree, doesnt make it so. Anyone can claim to be christian, but this isnt just some "club" you can join because it sounds good. To be a real christian, you must believe in Jesus' sacrifce for us and live be His commandments. Most of our Western society does NOT do so.


Just The Facts said:
Most Nations in the bottom half of Africa have less than 40% Christian population.

Can you back this up? Evidence?
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/areas/africa.htm

Just The Facts said:
I understand that the maps show a reality that is not in line with your narrow view of Scripture.................But oh well such is life.

How is my view of scripture narrow now? explain what you even know about my knowledge of scripture. put up or shut up!
 
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HI Lucas

What I know of your belief has been stated here. REPEATEDLY. I will explain this out of love for you my Brother/sister in Christ. Then I will ask you to post on subject or not to post at all.

Just because a Born Again thinks a Catholic or an Anglican is not a "TRUE CHRISTIAN" doesn't make it so in God's Eyes Maybe it is so in their narrow view But I think Jesus tells us a different story,


1: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

The ten Virgins in this prophecy/parable are the 10 Christian faiths at the Time of the End. Sure there are hundreds of different Churches but there really is only ten Christian Faiths with various offshoots of each Faith.

It is clear that Jesus sees all of these Churches/Faiths as Virgins (as Paul states in 2 Cor) 2Cor:11:2: For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

So in this prophecy Jesus tells us that there will be 10 virgins at the time of the End. true only five will have the Golden oil and not follow the AC. But that does not make them any less a Virgin.

You see my companion in Christ it is not for us to Judge Who is and Who is Not a "True Christian" who but God knows the Heart of a man………….that is Jesus Job. It is our Job to show Love and Compassion to All. Lest we become like the Pharisee before God in Luke 18:

10: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11: The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12: I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.13: And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14: I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Now as for this statement of yours

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Can you back this up? Evidence?
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I did back my percentages up with a link,

Here is some more data. Some Countries have A higher Christian Population but you will notice the High rate of Traditional beliefs. Many countries in the Mid and Southern portions of Africa have a equal split between Christian Muslim and Traditional beliefs.

Angola
ethnic groups: Ovimbundu 37%; KiMbundu 23%; BaKongo 13%; Liumbe, Humbe, Chokwe, Lunda, Ambo(Ovambo), Naneka, San languages: Portuguese and native tongues, of which the main ones are: Ovimbundu (Umbundu), Mbundu, Kongo, Khoisan religious affiliation: Christian 70% [Roman Catholic 44-51%; Protestant 15-20%]; traditional beliefs 30-34%

Tanzania
ethnic groups: Nyamwezi & Sukuma 26,3%%; Swahili 8,8%; Haya 5,3%; Hehet & Bena 5%; Chagga 4,4%; Gogo 4,4%; Makonde 3,7% languages: English, Swahili (both official); and many others. religious affiliation: Sunnî Muslim 35 - 37%; Christian 30 - 44%; traditional/animist 19 - 35%

Kenya
ethnic groups: Kikuyu 17%; Luhya 12%; Luo 11%; Kalenjin 10%; Kamba 10%; Kisii 6%; Meru 5%; Mijikenda 5%; Masai 2%; Turkana 1%; other: 21% languages: Swahili, English (both official); Kikuyu, plus over 200 tribal indigenous languages religious affiliation: Christian 48 - 66% (Protestant 28-38, Roman Catholic 20-28); African indigenous 18 - 30%; Muslim 6%; other 2%

Maliwi
ethnic groups: Maravi 58%; Lomwe 18%; Yao 13%; Ngoni 7%; Chewa, Nyanja languages: Chichewa, English (both official) religious affiliation: Protestant 21%; Muslim 20%; Roman Catholic 18%; traditional beliefs 10%; other 30%

Nigeria
ethnic groups: Hausa 21%; Yoruba 21%; Igbo 18%; Fulani 11%; Ibibio 5,6%; Kanuri 4%; Edo 3%; Tiv 2%; Ijaw 2%; Bura 2%; Nupe 1%; other 8% languages: English (official); Hausa, Yoruba, Ibo religious affiliation: Sunnî Muslim 43%; indigenous beliefs 19%; Protestant 15%; Roman Catholic 8%; other Christian 12%; other 3%

Zambia
ethnic groups: Bemba 39%; Maravi (Nyanja) 20%; Tonga 15%; North-Western peoples 10%; Barotze 8%; European 1% languages: English (official); Bemba, Tonga, Nyanja, Lozi, Lunda, Luvale, Kaonde religious affiliation: traditional beliefs 27%; Protestant 23%; Roman Catholic 17%; Hindu & Muslim 24%; African Christian 8%

Now here are some Western Countries.


USA
ethnic groups: non-Hispanic white 75%; non-Hispanic black 12%; Hispanic 10%; Asian/Pacific islanders 3,3%; American Indian and Eskimo 0,7% languages: English (official); Spanish religious affiliation: Christian 85% (of which Protestant: 57%; Roman Catholic: 22%); Jewish 2%; Orthodox 2%; Muslim 2%; non-religious 10%

Mexico
ethnic groups: Mestizo 60%; Amerindian 30%; European 9% languages: Spanish 92% (official); plus 59 native Amerindian dialects, among which Mayan dialects religious affiliation: Roman Catholic 90%; Protestant 4%; non religious 4%; other Christian 2%

France
ethnic groups: French 92%; Arab/North African 4%; German 2%; Breton 1%; Catalan 1% languages: French, Arabic; from other minorities: Breton, Catalan, Basque, Corsican, German, Flemish religious affiliation: Roman Catholic 76%; other Christian 4%; Muslim 6%; Jewish 1%; non religious 14%

Poland
ethnic groups: Polish 97,6%; Ukrainian 0,6%; other 1,8% languages: Polish (official), Byelorussian, German, Ukrainian religious affiliation: Roman Catholic 90,7%; Eastern Orthodox 1,4%; other Christian or non religious 7,9%

Italy
ethnic groups: Italian 94%; German, French, Greek, Albanian, Slovene, Ladino languages: Italian (official) 94%; Sardinian, Ladino, Friaul, German, French, Slovene religious affiliation: Roman Catholic slightly more than 83%; other ca. 15%

Greece
ethnic groups: Greek 98%; Macedonian 1%; Turkish 0,9%; Albanian, Slav languages: Greek religious affiliation: Greek Orthodox 92%; Muslim 1%; other 7%

Now as I have said this is about Culture of the Nations Not whether they are “True Christians “ by yours or anyone else’s standard. If you have something to say about the end times in Daniel 11 and Rev and the groups mentioned there IE: the King of the North the king of the South and the kings of the East please do
 
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Just The Facts said:
HI Lucas

What I know of your belief has been stated here. REPEATEDLY. I will explain this out of love for you my Brother/sister in Christ. Then I will ask you to post on subject or not to post at all.

And with love, brother, I will post one last time on this. (sister? cant see well enough to see the male icon, eh?)

Just The Facts said:
Just because a Born Again thinks a Catholic or an Anglican is not a "TRUE CHRISTIAN" doesn't make it so in God's Eyes Maybe it is so in their narrow view But I think Jesus tells us a different story

The bible is very clear on this subject, about being born again. Lets take a look at John.

"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again". (John 3:1-7)

So, how is this not clear about being born again?:doh:
Jesus was very clear about this. How is this having a narrow view of scripture? Please explain.


Just The Facts said:
1: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

The ten Virgins in this prophecy/parable are the 10 Christian faiths at the Time of the End. Sure there are hundreds of different Churches but there really is only ten Christian Faiths with various offshoots of each Faith.

I dont know how you get 10 "real" faiths.:confused: Explain.

Just The Facts said:
It is clear that Jesus sees all of these Churches/Faiths as Virgins (as Paul states in 2 Cor) 2Cor:11:2: For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

So in this prophecy Jesus tells us that there will be 10 virgins at the time of the End. true only five will have the Golden oil and not follow the AC. But that does not make them any less a Virgin.

We interpret this parable differently. To each his own.

Just The Facts said:
You see my companion in Christ it is not for us to Judge Who is and Who is Not a "True Christian" who but God knows the Heart of a man………….that is Jesus Job. It is our Job to show Love and Compassion to All. Lest we become like the Pharisee before God in Luke 18.

Yet, what does it say about judging?
"Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way that you judge you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you." Matt 7
Maybe I am willing to be judged by the same measurement that I "judge" others. Its not that we are told not to judge others, but not to judge hypocritcally. Example, if I lie, I cannot go and judge another for their lies. If I see how other christians arent living up to the way the bible tells them to live, this is a form of judging, but its meant to also rebuke and correct, something , we, as christians, are supposed to do.



Just The Facts said:
Now as I have said this is about Culture of the Nations Not whether they are “True Christians “ by yours or anyone else’s standard. If you have something to say about the end times in Daniel 11 and Rev and the groups mentioned there IE: the King of the North the king of the South and the kings of the East please do

Maybe I misunderstood what you were talking about. I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way. Maybe I'll shoot a PM your way and we can work it out there.

God bless,
Lucas
 
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Hi

Post on topic or do not post atall please.If you want to debate what is and is not a true Christian do it in the appropriate spot not here.

thank you

I was replying to your last post! You're a rude one, eh Justme?
 
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The theory that the kings of the east is some country, religion ect.... is biblically unfounded.

Study the direction "east" and you will notice that it represents godliness.

Notice that the kings are merely "prepared" in the 6th vial. The battle does not begin until the 7th which is Armageddon. So what other battle would they fight?

Why would "tidings" out of the east bother the little horn if they were under his control? Dan 11:44.


JTF,

Good to see you use the words "1000" as a metaphor.......


Mark.
 
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Just the Facts said:
Countries like America and France and Germany and other Western Nations have anywhere from 80 to 95% Christian population.
I think it's fair to say that most of these people aren't really Christians.

1: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

The ten Virgins in this prophecy/parable are the 10 Christian faiths at the Time of the End. Sure there are hundreds of different Churches but there really is only ten Christian Faiths with various offshoots of each Faith.
Whoa! I've never heard that one before. This interpretation is way off. Mathew 25:1-13 means simply this, and nothing more; that we should keep our minds on the Lord, and be ready when He Comes.
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The bible is very clear on this subject, about being born again. Lets take a look at John.

"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again". (John 3:1-7)

So, how is this not clear about being born again?:doh:
Sounds clear to me. It's talking about baptism. "Catholics and Anglicans" (quoting Just the Facts) are certainly born agan.
 
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