Healing & Sickness

Tinker Grey said:

I find this position highly questionable.

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That's a much more polite way that I would put it, to say the least.

I believe it is Satan that sends sickness but God in his wisdom allows it , for whatever reason he has. As in the book of Job. Job becomes sick, Satan made him sick but God had to allow it to happen.

As far as Job is concerned. Read Job 3:24-26. Job already lived in fear, (The opposite of faith) that What happened to him, was going to happen to him. In fearing this, he gave Satan access to himself, that God had to allow, because of the curse.

Also in the Old-Testament, Satan had much more power over man, because Jesus hadn't died and destroyed the works of the devil yet. So Satan had more of an access to man.

God causing sickness is like saying that it is His will that people go to the Lake of Fire. God didn't cause the curse of mankind. It was brought into the world by the devil, through man bowing his knee to the devil, through disobedience, in the Garden of Eden.

I heard a Pastor friend of mine tell me once that God gave him a stroke to make him, and keep him humble. Causing sickness goes against the nature, and character of God. I believe it was my friends 25 year love affair with ham that caused the stroke.

God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of peace, love and sound mind.

When we listen to Satan and start to doubt God, we open ourself up to his attacks. When we walk in faith, we can partake in the provision of God's nature, love, healing, Grace, mercy, and tenderness. It is impossible to please God without faith. We will suffer, but we call upon the provision of the Blood, and Body of Jesus to heal us, and prosper us. By His stripes we are healed. Rev.

James 1:16-18 "Don't be deceived, my dear brothers. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created."

God doesnt bring sickness, as said above about job. He had a covenant with God, but because of his fear he broke his covenant, and because of that satan was allowed to do what he did, but notice how he wasnt allowed to kill job.

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the whole healing situation. healing is there. God is a God of love. 1 Peter 2:24 says that by the beating Jesus received we are healed. we were healed 2000 years ago on the cross. its as simple as that. we just got to claim it.

I studied this a long time ago and this came from my blog. Understanding the Bible's perspective on sufferings (thorns of flesh) really helps alot. I have been suffering alot in the last 10 years, maybe longer. I posted this in other threads with similar topic.

The Lord has placed us in an environment with a certain supply of the gifts of His grace, and we didn't earn any of them. Everything we have, and everything we are able to obtain, comes as a result of the Grace of God; we have deserved nothing. Christians suffer for many reasons,sometimes through no fault of their own. A Christian will experience a normal amount of suffering as part of human existence. But if a believer stays in fellowship with God and grows in Christ consistently.

The following is a list of reasons why believers in fellowship suffer undeservedly in order to bring blessing to themselves or others.

1. Suffering for the glory of God: Book of Job; Isa. 48:9-11

2. Suffering to comfort others: 2 Cor. 1:3-6

3. Suffering to demonstrate the power of God, the provisions of grace: 2 Cor. 12:8-10

4. Suffering from spiritual growing pains; the testing that strengthens faith: Deut. 8:1-10;James 1:1-6; 1 Pet. 1:7,8; Rom. 5:3 Faster growth means more frequent testing; there is a refining process: Job. 23:10; Isa. 1:18-27; 1 Pet. 1:7

5. Suffering to keep down pride: 2 Cor. 12:6,7; Matt. 26:31-75 (the scattering of the disciples)

6. Suffering to illustrate doctrine (for advanced believers): Book of Hosea

7. Suffering by association occurs when we have some relationship with someone who is suffering: Rom. 14:7; 1 Cor. 12:26; 1 Chron. 21

8. Suffering to show the fruit of the Spirit and the results of edification: 2 Cor. 4:6-11

9. Suffering to learn the value of doctrine: Psalm 119:65-72

10. Suffering as a witness to Christ: 2 Tim. 2:8-12; John 15:18-21; Acts 5:40-42; 1 Cor. 4:9-16

11. Suffering as a result of exercising a spiritual gift; illustrated by the life of the Apostle Paul

12. Suffering from involvement in spiritual battles, the angelic conflict: Eph. 3:8-13

PROMISES TO BELIEVERS WHO SUFFER Psalm 34:19,20; Isa.43:2; 2 Cor. 4:17 and 12:9; 1 Peter 5:10

God allows us to go through these difficult things because He wants us to be more like Him, and He is with us each step of the way.

I Peter 2:20-21 - If you are beaten for doing wrong, there is no reason to praise you for being patient in your punishment. But if you suffer for doing good, and you are patient, then God is pleased. This is what you were called to do, because Christ suffered for you and gave you an example to follow. So you should do as He did.

I Peter 3:14 - But even if you suffer for doing right, you are blessed. "Don't be afraid of what they fear; do not dread those things."

I Peter 5:10 - And after you suffer for a short time, God, who gives all grace, will make everything right. He will make you strong and support you and keep you from falling. He called you to share in His glory in Christ, a glory that will continue forever.

Our God is good. Our pain allows us to identify with our Lord, who suffered for our sin in our place, being without fault and undeserving of the suffering. So, why should we expect better? It draws us closer to and more intimate with Him. God will actually enter into the pain with us. So if there is no healing, He is just working harder in us!

God will use our suffering for the greater good that is His purpose. Consider it fertilizer to the garden of life. Giving our burden to God through prayer, as Paul did, will allow us to grow in greater depth spiritually.

Remember that God is working even when we do not feel it. The chief purpose of God's Will for us is to grow us closer to Him! It is not about money, or power, or our bodies, or work, or anything else! The focus on Christ and His character will perfect our character to be more Christ like and be in His will.

Suffering is not being a martyr; rather, it is valuable for our living as we learn to surrender everything to Him. Never force suffering on yourself for attention, as this does not glorify God, only yourself!

When we are filled with joy, even in the mist of suffering, we mirror to the world the character of Christ. The main theme of suffering is not how we answer the ways and whys, but how we live our lives so to still give God the glory! How do we allow Him to use us, and then share our experiences for the benefit of others.

We need to take to heart that when life is at its darkest, God is there. He understands, and loves and carries us though it. We need to accept the fact that God is in control, even if we do not understand. It is by faith we can endure it. We can place such faith in Him because of the assurance we have through His Word, even when we do not understand. Our true home and purpose is not here; it is still to come. We are not made for this world, we are just here to learn all we can, and with what Christ has given to us, make the best and most of the situations in which we find ourselves. Then, one day, we will be called to our true home in eternity, in Heaven. So, let us cling to the hope we have, not the things we experience!

My life is full of sorrow however I am careful not to let my self-centered (which is considered sinful) desire for pity be part of my life. I have learned that God wants me to take joy over my circumstances (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18). As a human being, I understand that sorrow is a healthy and natural emotion which God have created.

I am deaf, I have multiple sclerosis, I have diabetes and other circumstances in my life. As a Christian, I am happy that God have taught me with those circumstances. The Beatitudes of Jesus Christ are one of the wonderful examples that God is able to provide us. Matthew 5:3-5 (NLT) "God blesses those who realize their need for him, for the kingdom of Heaven is given to them. God blesses those who mourn, for they will be comforted. God blesses those who are gentle and lowly, for the whole earth will belong to them." God also said, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." (2 Cor. 12:9). God does answer our prayers, but not always in the way that we would have liked.

In Philippians, "I know what it is to have little, and I know what it is to have plenty. In any and all circumstances I have learned the secret of being well-fed and of going hungry, of having plenty and of being in need. I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." (Philippians 4:12-13)

I believe as Jim from Ohio,So far anyway.

I believe the Old Testament holds the answer to your question.

Because of mans disobedience to God and his/her own sin, sickness and death entered the world.

Before original sin, there was no sickness, our early parents lived in Paradise in this beautifully created earth.

They gave that all up our of disobedience.

Jesus, who is called the second Adam, came into the world and showed he had power over sickness and death. He healed the sick and raised the dead.

We pray for the sick all the time and we do get healings.

a simple way of putting it. in the begining God created Adam to have dominion over ALL of the earth. when Adam sinned, the world had dominion over him. the little things now had dominion over him. fungi .. sickness .. etc

and through Christ, we have regained that dominionship. so no longer are we the conquored, but we are thte conquorer. so in terms of healing. we have dominion over all sickness and diseases through the power of Christ' blood. sickness no longer has control over us. it can only if we allow. if WE allow sickness into our lives. for we have dominion over it.

ThePr0phet said:

a simple way of putting it. in the begining God created Adam to have dominion over ALL of the earth. when Adam sinned, the world had dominion over him. the little things now had dominion over him. fungi .. sickness .. etc

and through Christ, we have regained that dominionship. so no longer are we the conquored, but we are thte conquorer. so in terms of healing. we have dominion over all sickness and diseases through the power of Christ' blood. sickness no longer has control over us. it can only if we allow. if WE allow sickness into our lives. for we have dominion over it.

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This sounds like Word of Faith teachings.

ThePr0phet said:

a simple way of putting it. in the begining God created Adam to have dominion over ALL of the earth. when Adam sinned, the world had dominion over him. the little things now had dominion over him. fungi .. sickness .. etc

and through Christ, we have regained that dominionship. so no longer are we the conquored, but we are thte conquorer. so in terms of healing. we have dominion over all sickness and diseases through the power of Christ' blood. sickness no longer has control over us. it can only if we allow. if WE allow sickness into our lives. for we have dominion over it.

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No sick Christians than Huh?
It is obvious there are Christians with big faith that are sick.
I doubt if they want to be.

JimfromOhio said:

This sounds like Word of Faith teachings.

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I was in the WOF movement for a good 15 years or so.
I found it to be untrue.
There was sick christians everywhere praying for healings.
Some was healed some not, the ones that wasn't what about them?
Are they less christian with little faith.

Evee said:

I was in the WOF movement for a good 15 years or so.
I found it to be untrue.
There was sick christians everywhere praying for healings.
Some was healed some not, the ones that wasn't what about them?
Are they less christian with little faith.

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I have never been in the WOF movement and know nothing about it, I don't think. Unless it is like the "prosperity doctrine" and emcompasses a lot of folks who all believe the same thing.

You are right and I agree with you.
Christians do get sick.
We pray for them and sometimes we can see a miraculous healing. Sometimes we see nothing and often they die.

My Priest friend says the "perfect healing" for a Christian is the healing that leads you into the arms of Jesus.

JimfromOhio said:

This sounds like Word of Faith teachings.

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its scripture based.

ThePr0phet said:

its scripture based.

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Selective Scripture based .... just like "Selective hearing". Word of Faith is basically selective beliefs according to selective specific verses which often are out of context.

JimfromOhio said:

Selective Scripture based .... just like "Selective hearing". Word of Faith is basically selective beliefs according to selective specific verses which often are out of context.

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Matthew says that physical healing is included in the atonemant ! Yes these are selected, it's impossible to quote ALL the scriptures, but the scriptures below include both the old and new testaments to verify why Jesus was sacrificed.

When the Lamb of God walked the earth, did He ever tell anyone who asked for healing to just bear the pain for God's Glory? NO, Jesus said, " I WILL"

Do we follow the example Jesus set, or do we go by what we see around us?
Matthew 8:17

"In order that what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, saying 'He, Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases'. "

In the previous verses, Jesus healed the centurion's servant, then He healed Peter's mother-in-law, then He cast out the demons from many, and then He healed all that were ill in that particular group.

The reference scripture is given as Isaiah 53:4

Now that scripture says that God's Suffering Servant bore OUR griefs (correctly translated INFIRMITIES ), and OUR sorrows ( correctly translated DISEASES ), He carried.

Notice Matthew used the words infirmities and diseases, instead of griefs, and sprrows.

Isaiah 53 was prophesying the Atonement of God's suffering Servant, and what He did for humanty, saying the Lord caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

franky67 said:

Matthew says that physical healing is included in the atonemant ! Yes these are selected, it's impossible to quote ALL the scriptures, but the scriptures below include both the old and new testaments to verify why Jesus was sacrificed.

When the Lamb of God walked the earth, did He ever tell anyone who asked for healing to just bear the pain for God's Glory? NO, Jesus said, " I WILL"

Do we follow the example Jesus set, or do we go by what we see around us?
Matthew 8:17

"In order that what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, saying 'He, Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases'. "

In the previous verses, Jesus healed the centurion's servant, then He healed Peter's mother-in-law, then He cast out the demons from many, and then He healed all that were ill in that particular group.

The reference scripture is given as Isaiah 53:4

Now that scripture says that God's Suffering Servant bore OUR griefs (correctly translated INFIRMITIES ), and OUR sorrows ( correctly translated DISEASES ), He carried.

Notice Matthew used the words infirmities and diseases, instead of griefs, and sprrows.

Isaiah 53 was prophesying the Atonement of God's suffering Servant, and what He did for humanty, saying the Lord caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

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Those are selective scriptures based on Word of Faith teachings. They are out of context and no other scriptural references have supported WOF interpretations of health and healing.

JimfromOhio said:

Those are selective scriptures based on Word of Faith teachings. They are out of context and no other scriptural references have supported WOF interpretations of health and healing.

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Do we, cut out other scriptures from our Bible, which describe God as our healer?

The four Gospels, Acts, all teach How God confirmed His spoken Word with signs following. This was Christ's instruction to the disciples.

Psalm 103, 107,
Proverbs 4, or all others which refer to God as the healer ?

Please, people of God, Just study the life of Jesus those three years, He said when you have seen me, You have seen the Father.