wierd question i know but would like your input!!

gwyyn · Jun 5, 2002

Where were we before we were born into the world? I mean our souls that is!

Did God create our soul when we were concieved or were we already stored somewhere waiting for our time on Earth?

:scratch:

JohnR7 · Jun 5, 2002

Some of the new age stuff to come along recently wants to suggest that we pre existed in heaven apart from God. Before we are born into the world our only preexistance is as a seed in our parants. Adam and Eve are the mother and father of all, so our only pre existance was in them.

1 Cor. 15:45 kjv
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Cor. 15:45 nkjv
And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

We are alive through Adam but true life comes when we are born again of the spirit and comes though Jesus. The life is in the blood and only though the blood of Jesus do we receive life. For Him Divine Blood was in His veins. For us who are born again, Divine Blood is in our Soul.

We can perform "miracles" but we have to have something to work with. Only God can bring forth something out of "nothing".

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

OldBadfish · Jun 5, 2002

This is an interesting question.

I believe a soul that has not been concieved in the flesh is not a soul yet. If a new soul is not made (conceived) then it does not have a soul and therefore does not exist in heaven.

Of course we could be pre destined for birth, and thus would probably have a soul in heaven waiting to live and die in the flesh. Maybe no one really knows and we will have to wait until the Lord reveals all to us in the end.

Does this make any sense? I think those are the only 2 possibilities.

I am interested in others views on this too.

Mandy · Jun 5, 2002

Our souls were created when we were conceived.

Othniel · Jun 5, 2002

John is right...contrary to popular new-age and cult teachings, our only existance is in Adam.

"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man."
John 3:13

We who live on this earth have never been in heaven. We were in Adam when he sinned. (see 1 Cor 15:22)

Peace to all who seek it,
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UnderdogEnt · Jun 5, 2002

Personally, I believe our soul is created at conception. However, God does know that our existence will take place and what his plan for our life is.

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Julie · Jun 6, 2002

From God when we were conceived.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Job 12:10
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Chris†opher Paul · Jun 6, 2002

God says that He knows us before we were conceived. Maybe we were just an idea that God had in mind? After all, if we are all born into a time that we are meant to be in, then that would imply God knew of us before our parents reproduced.

Wildfire · Jun 6, 2002

This is a great question; I too have many thoughts on this.

What underdog posted is perfect. I also recall Jesus saying "I was with you from the very beginning. You have not chosen me, I have chosen you."

Maybe time will end when all souls are born. Perhaps that is Gods patience; that we can all come to love him, while we are on earth and given the choice.

Wildfire

Wildfire · Jun 6, 2002

...or maybe Jesus said, "you were with me from the very beginning." (sorry) I will look for that.

Wildfire

Honeycomb · Jun 6, 2002

Rev. 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
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John fell down to worship before the feet of the angel. :bow:

That's a "no no", and what started all the trouble in the first place. and I'm sure but for the emotion of the moment that he knew better.

"Welcome back to the flesh and humanity", :pink:

John!

However, we will learn and even gain a "revelation" from John's mistake as our Father once again turns a lemon into lemonade.
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[9] Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
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This is a very revealing verse. :wave:

The angel makes it perfectly clear that he is "one of us" who has lived in the flesh, from among our brethren the prophets.

However, the main point being emphasized by the angel is this: We are never to worship angels!

And now that you know who they are, the angel is saying "We are never to worship each other", whether we are in our flesh bodies or whether we are in our spiritual bodies, i.e. angels. Worship only God.

Have a great day :wave:

Peace & God bless

red46 · Jun 11, 2002

Soul and spirit are two different things. Just like the Holy Trinity. 3 different things and yet ONE.

We are body/soul, mind and spirit. The soul is what we are in this mortal life. Spirit does not die. So it's the spirit, God has known even before we came into physical being on this earth.

I do believe we know very little. The Bible testifies to that. Much is left out deliberately. It does not pertain to this life and we have things to learn.

All these things, we will know someday. But for now, we are to concern ourselves with the lessons at hand. I do know, our names were written from the foundation of this world. My question would be, what name. Within us, there is a spirit that knows these answers. This is where that "Knowing" comes from.

Judy

Blackhawk · Jun 11, 2002

"We are body/soul, mind and spirit. The soul is what we are in this mortal life. Spirit does not die. So it's the spirit, God has known even before we came into physical being on this earth."

It all matters how we use thes words. Sometimes Spirit= Soul. But I think that somewhere in all definitions of the soul it is said to be eternal.

OldShepherd · Jun 14, 2002

Posted by Honeycomb
This is a very revealing verse.
The angel makes it perfectly clear that he is "one of us" who has lived in the flesh, from among our brethren the prophets.

_____The Greek word structure requires fellowservant to be the antecedent here. Greek grammar does not permit it to refer to angels previously existing as humans.

Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and (fellowservant) of thy brethren the prophets, and (fellowservant) of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Honeycomb · Jun 15, 2002

Angels have no wings and look just like us only they are genetically perfect.

In fact, we are Angels simply going through the flesh. (incarnate)
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Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage,

but are--->as the angels of God in heaven."
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Remember back in Genesis 1:26; "And God said, "Let us [Elohim] make man in Our image, after Our likeness..."

Elohim is God and his children, His angels. Father of light, Sons of light.

We are made after the angels, and in their-->our origional angelic likeness. You might even say, a "carbon-copy"

We can eat their food [manna], and they can eat man's food.

Some of these angels came down to earth [fallen sons] and mated with the daughters of men, and had children.
(Please see Gen 6)

Are you starting to get the picture of what an angel is?

He looks like us, acts similar to us, yet his body is of a different substance.

You shall soon see for yourself when the Locust army arrives with their leader, Satan, as the Imposter antijesus christ.

That generation of the fig tree (started 5-15-48) is getting long in tooth.

That summer season of the locust (Christ-Royal angelic imposters) are soon upon us.

It was the most beautiful angels, Satan being the main beauty, that (1/3) turned against the Father in the first Earth Age/aion.

All have to pass-through the flesh, except Archangels.

God Himself passed-through. Jesus being God incarnate.

Emanuel: God with :pink:

us.

Some Christians have NO problem with Jesus being God incarnate. "The Word became flesh".

But most do get all choked-up about the Host passing through as well.

He wouldn't ask us :help:

to do anything, HE :priest:

Himself wouldn't be willing to do.

It's really

that simple

Have a great day :wave:

Peace & God bless

OldShepherd · Jun 15, 2002

Honeycomb,

_____I appreciate your giving your opinion on this matter but I prefer to believe what I can clearly show from all the scripture, rather than a few carefully chosen proof texts.

Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

_____See parallel passage in Luke.

Lu 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

_____They are not angels but equal to the angels! Also consider the Jewish thought on this.

John Gills, Commentary on the whole Bible
the other Jews, who say {c}; that

In "the world to come", there is neither eating nor drinking, hybrw hyrp alw, "nor fructification, nor increase" (of children), no receiving and giving, (no commerce), nor envy, nor hatred, nor contention.

But are as the angels of God in heaven; or, as in Luke, "are equal unto the angels"; and which he explains their immortality: "neither can they die any more";

the souls of the saints before the resurrection, during their separate state, are in some sense like the angels, to which may be applied those words of Maimonides (Talmud) {d}.

In the world to come, there is no body, but the souls of the righteous only, without a body, trvh ykalmk "as the ministering angels"; and seeing there is no body, there is no eating nor drinking in it, nor any of all the things which the bodies of the children of men stand in need of in this world; nor does anything befall which happens to bodies in this world, as sitting or standing, or sleep or "death", or grief, or laughter, or the like.

And according to the sense of the Jews, they will be like to the angels after the resurrection: so God is by them introduced speaking {e};

At the appointed time known by me, to quicken the dead, I will return to thee that body which is holy and renewed, as at the first, to be Myvwdq Mykalmk, "as the holy angels".

{c} T. Bab. Beracot, fol. 17. 1.
{d} Hilch. Teshuba, c. 8. sect. 2.
{e} Midrash Hanneelam in Zohar in Gen. fol. 66. 4.

Honeycomb · Jun 15, 2002

BY OldShepherd

Honeycomb,

They are not angels but equal to the angels!

Also consider the Jewish thought on this.

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BY ELI

Hi OldShepherd :wave:

God bless

I have concidered those that murdered Jesus.

I don't think much of ---->them

In other words, what I'm trying to say is I would NOT listen to the Jews or allow-->ANY non-Christian to instruct me in God's word.

Come on now, I would hope that you have enough common sense to know better.

I do study Hebrew & Greek and it is very clear God knew us before we were born down here in the flesh-test

And we knew Him..... . .

Have a great day :wave:

Peaqce & God bless

PNJai · Feb 22, 2006

I think the soul is created at conception...

Lynn73 · Feb 22, 2006

gwyyn said:
Where were we before we were born into the world? I mean our souls that is!

Did God create our soul when we were concieved or were we already stored somewhere waiting for our time on Earth?

I think God created it when we were conceived. I don't believe that we pre-existed somewhere waiting for a body to be born into. There's not biblical evidence for that that I can see.

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