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Music in Church service should be abandoned.
^_^ Did you just step out of a service with bad music.

I think music has a place in worship service. I think Praise is an important part of a service. It's my favorite part of any service. Just the lifting up the voices and the sound of the music works wonders for the spirit. I like drums in my church music so I go to a church that has drums and the drums are amazing for raising the energy of a service. Gets the feet and hands and body moving so you are in full worship. I can't imagine having services without music :cry:
 
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[16] Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Where is music mentioned?

You just posted the verse. Read it carefully a couple of times and see if you can find the referrences.
 
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Would you please read Amos 6;

[1] Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!
[2] Pass ye unto Calneh, and see; and from thence go ye to Hamath the great: then go down to Gath of the Philistines: be they better than these kingdoms? or their border greater than your border?
[3] Ye that put far away the evil day, and cause the seat of violence to come near;
[4] That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall;
[5] That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David;

Eph.5

  1. [19] Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
how many of you know the early christians didn't use music? How many of you know that many of those people who started different denominations were against music in the church. I will bring references after lunch for you to peruse. music in the church is a relatively new thing but most today have been raised with it and so never questioned it.
 
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Ex. 15: 1
1 THEN asang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will bsing• unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

Ex. 15: 2
2 The aLORD• is my bstrength and song, and he is become my csalvation: he is my God, and I will dprepare• him an habitation; my father’s God, and I will eexalt• him.

Num. 21: 17
17 ¶ Then Israel sang this song, Spring up, O well; sing ye unto it:

Deut. 31: 19
19 Now therefore awrite• ye this bsong• for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.

Deut. 31: 21
21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this asong shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know btheir• imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

Deut. 31: 22
22 ¶ Moses therefore wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.

Deut. 31: 30
30 And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended.

Deut. 32: 44
44 ¶ And Moses came and spake all the words of this asong in the ears of the people, he, and bHoshea• the son of Nun.

Judg. 5: 12
12 Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam.

2 Sam. 22: 1
1 AND David spake unto the LORD the words of this asong• in the day that the LORD had delivered him out of the hand of all his enemies, and out of the hand of Saul:

1 Kgs. 4: 32
32 And he spake three thousand aproverbs•: and his bsongs• were a thousand and five.

1 Chr. 6: 31
31 And these are they whom David set over the service of asong• in the house of the LORD, after that the ark had rest.

1 Chr. 15: 22
22 And Chenaniah, chief of the Levites, was for song: he instructed about the song, because he was skilful.

1 Chr. 15: 27
27 And David was clothed with a robe of fine linen, and all the Levites that bare the ark, and the singers, and Chenaniah the master of the song with the singers: David also had upon him an ephod of linen.

1 Chr. 25: 6
6 All these were under the hands of their father for asong• in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king’s order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman.

1 Chr. 25: 7
7 So the number of them, with their brethren that were instructed in the asongs• of the LORD, even all that were bcunning, was two hundred fourscore and eight.

2 Chr. 29: 27
27 And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar. And when the burnt offering began, the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets, and with the instruments ordained by David king of Israel.

Neh. 12: 46
46 For in the days of David and Asaph of old there were chief of the singers, and songs of praise and thanksgiving unto God.

Job 30: 9
9 And now am I their asong•, yea, I am their byword.

Job 35: 10
10 But none saith, Where is God my maker, who giveth asongs• in the night;

Ps. 28: 7
7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart atrusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.

Ps. 32: 7
7 Thou art my ahiding• place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.

Ps. 33: 3
3 Sing unto him a anew• song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

Ps. 40: 3
3 And he hath put a anew• bsong in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.

Ps. 42: 8
8 Yet the LORD will command his lovingkindness in the daytime, and in the anight• his song shall be with me, and my prayer unto the God of my life.

Ps. 69: 12
12 They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the asong• of the drunkards.

Ps. 69: 30
30 I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with athanksgiving•.

Ps. 77: 6
6 I call to remembrance my asong• in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.

Ps. 96: 1
1 O aSING• unto the LORD a new bsong•: sing unto the LORD, all the earth.

Ps. 98: 1
1 O aSING unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right bhand•, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.

Ps. 118: 14
14 The LORD is my astrength and song, and is become my bsalvation.

Ps. 119: 54
54 Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my apilgrimage•.

Ps. 137: 3
3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

Ps. 137: 4
4 How shall we asing• the LORD’s song in a strange land?

Ps. 144: 9
9 I will asing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee.

Ps. 149: 1
1 PRAISE ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of asaints.

Prov. 25: 20
20 As he that taketh away a garment in cold weather, and as vinegar upon nitre, so is he that singeth songs to an heavy heart.

Eccl. 7: 5
5 It is better to hear the arebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.


Song. 1: 1
1 THE asong• of songs, which is Solomon’s.

Isa. 5: 1
1 aNow• will I sing bto• my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his cvineyard•. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard din• a very fruitful hill:

Isa. 12: 2
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD aJEHOVAH• is my bstrength and my song; he also is become my csalvation.

Isa. 23: 16
16 Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered.

Isa. 24: 9
9 They shall not drink wine with a song; strong adrink shall be bitter to them that drink it.

Isa. 24: 16
16 ¶ From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, aMy• leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, bthe• treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

Isa. 26: 1
1 IN that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for awalls• and bulwarks.

Isa. 30: 29
29 aYe• shall have a song, as in the night when ba• holy solemnity is kept; and gladness of heart, as when one goeth with a pipe to come into the cmountain• of the LORD, to the dmighty• One of Israel.

Isa. 35: 10
10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall areturn, and come to bZion• with csongs and everlasting djoy• upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and esorrow and sighing shall flee away.

Isa. 38: 20
20 The LORD was ready to save me: therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the LORD.

Isa. 42: 10
10 aSing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.

Lam. 3: 14
14 I was a aderision• to all my people; and their song all the day.

Ezek. 26: 13
13 And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard.

Ezek. 33: 32
32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not.

Amos 5: 23
23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

Amos 8: 3
3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.

Amos 8: 10
10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into alamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and bbaldness• upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an conly• son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.

Eph. 5: 19
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and ahymns and spiritual songs, singing and making bmelody• in your heart to the Lord;

Col. 3: 16
16 Let the aword• of Christ dwell in you richly in all bwisdom; cteaching and admonishing one another in psalms and dhymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Rev. 5: 9
9 And they asung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast bredeemed us to God by thy blood out of every ckindred•, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev. 14: 3
3 And they sung as it were a new asong before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev. 15: 3
3 And they asing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, bGreat• and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; cjust and true are thy ways, thou King of dsaints.
 
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It doesn't tell you to take a dump either. This and what you said is silly and has no bearing on what we were saying. If any of those people listed were founders or highly respected members of your denomination then you need to check them out and why they said that don't you? I am not condeming anyone to hell for having music but does anyone know why they have and has their belief always had it or not? If not why not? If the early christians didn't have music why didn't they? Maybe it was because the understanding of the word was more unified since Jesus had not long been gone from the earth, and man hadn't had the opportunity to muddy it up with what makes him feel better about himself instead of sticking with the truth even if it hurts a persons feeling to find out they are not in line with scripture?
 
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InspectorVol said:
It doesn't tell you to take a dump either. This and what you said is silly and has no bearing on what we were saying. If any of those people listed were founders or highly respected members of your denomination then you need to check them out and why they said that don't you? I am not condeming anyone to hell for having music but does anyone know why they have and has their belief always had it or not? If not why not? If the early christians didn't have music why didn't they? Maybe it was because the understanding of the word was more unified since Jesus had not long been gone from the earth, and man hadn't had the opportunity to muddy it up with what makes him feel better about himself instead of sticking with the truth even if it hurts a persons feeling to find out they are not in line with scripture?
Oh good grief. I've seen many a beliefs here on CF argued and debated til nothing but ashes were left of the original posts but trying to find grounds why music is against God is interesting. Nothing wrong with music in the church. It uplifts the spirits and gives praises to the Creator. Humanity has had music since they first realized you can beat on a dead tree log and get a sound. :rolleyes: Like any other spiritual tool the good or bad of music is not music itself but the intentions of why you use it.
 
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It doesn't tell you to take a dump either. This and what you said is silly and has no bearing on what we were saying.


It is rude to tell a person that they are silly, and I am sorry that you feel it has no bearing on your highly thought-provoking thread. Who is 'we'? :) Royal pronouns is it?

If any of those people listed were founders or highly respected members of your denomination then you need to check them out and why they said that don't you?

What people listed? The scriptures I listed? I do not understand what you are saying.

I am not condeming anyone to hell

Good, because, honestly, you have no place in doing so.

for having music but does anyone know why they have and has their belief always had it or not? If not why not?

I do not follow that whatsoever.

If the early christians didn't have music why didn't they?

What early Christians? I cited several New Testament scriptures that suggest song factored fairly prominantly in the early church. In the Old Testament, song is a very prominant form of worship.


Maybe it was because the understanding of the word was more unified since Jesus had not long been gone from the earth, and man hadn't had the opportunity to muddy it up with what makes him feel better about himself instead of sticking with the truth even if it hurts a persons feeling to find out they are not in line with scripture?

What are you suggesting? An apostasy? :)

I am assuming then, that you are Catholic.
 
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Inspectorvol,

What denomination or religion do you claim? I have never heard of anyone believing that music is unscriptual.

These might have already been posted, if so they are worth repeating:

And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives. Matthew 26:30

But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. Acts 16:24

And do not be drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the holy spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs. Ephesians 5:18-19

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Colossians 3:16

Is there one among you who is suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful: Let him sing praise. James 5:13

 
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Early Christian Hymns:


  • Father we thank Thee who has planted
    Thy holy name within our hearts.
    Knowledge and faith and life immortal
    Jesus The Son to us imparts.


    Thou, Lord, didst make all for Thy pleasure,
    Didst give man food for all his days,
    Giving in Christ the bread eternal;
    Thine is the power, be Thine the praise.


    Watch o'er Thy Church, O Lord, in mercy,
    Save it from evil, guard it still,
    Perfect it in Thy love, unite it,
    Cleansed and conformed unto Thy will.
    As grain, once scattered on the hillsides,
    Was in the broken bread made one,
    So from all lands Thy Church be gathered
    Into Thy kingdom by Thy Son.


    From the Didache, AD 40-60,
    (Bishop Robinson, "Redating the New Testament")
    versified by F. Bland Tucker, 1895



  • Shepherd of eager youth,
    Guiding in love and truth
    Through devious ways,
    Christ our triumphant King,
    We come Thy name to sing,
    And here we children bring,
    Our songs of praise.


    Thou art our holy Lord,
    The all-subduing Word,
    Healer of strife;
    Thou didst Thyself abase,
    That from our sin's disgrace
    Thou mightest save our race
    And give us life.
    Ever be Thou our Guide,
    Our shepherd, and our pride.
    Our staff and song.
    Jesus, Thou Christ of God,
    By Thy eternal word,
    Lead us where Thou hast trod;
    Make our faith strong.


    Clement of Alexandria AD 150-215



    The Father of an infinite majesty:
    Thine honourable true and only Son,
    also the Holy Ghost the Comforter.


    Thou art the King of glory O Christ:
    Thou art the everlasting Son of the Father.


    When Thou tookest upon Thee to deliver man:
    Thou didst not abhor the Virgin's womb.


    When Thou hadst overcome the sharpness of death:
    Thou didst open the kingdom of heaven to all believers.


    Thou sittest at the right hand of God:
    In the glory of the Father.


    We believe that Thou:
    Shalt come to be our Judge.


    We therefore pray Thee help They servants:
    Whom Thou hast redeemed with Thy precious blood.


    2nd or 3rd Century


    I bind unto myself to-day
    The strong name of the Trinity,
    By invocation of the same,
    The Three in One and One in Three.


    I bind this day to me for ever,
    By power of faith, Christ's incarnation;
    His baptism in the Jordan river;
    His death on cross for my salvation;
    His bursting from the spiced tomb;
    His riding up the heavenly way;
    His coming at the day of doom:
    I bind unto myself today.

    I bind unto myself today

    The power of God to hold and lead
    His eye to watch, His might to stay,
    His ear to hearken to my need,
    The wisdom of my God to teach,
    His hand to guide, His shield to ward,
    The word of God to give me speech,
    His heavenly host to be my guard.


    Christ be with me, Christ within me,
    Christ behind me, Christ before me,
    Christ beside me, Christ to win,
    Christ to comfort and restore me,
    Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
    Christ in quiet, Christ in danger,
    Christ in hearts of all that love me,
    Christ in mouth of friend and stranger.


    I bind unto myself the name,
    The strong name of the Trinity,
    By invocation of the same,
    The Three in One, and One in Three,
    Of whom all nature hath creation,
    Eternal Father, Spirit, Word.
    Praise to the Lord of my salvation:
    Salvation is of Christ the Lord.


    Attributed to St. Patrick, 385-461


 
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skylark quote:
What denomination or religion do you claim? I have never heard of anyone believing that music is unscriptual.
Hello,

There is another "one true church" called the church of Christ. They are non- musical.

A brother at our church told me that his neighbor across the street was a preacher at a church of Christ in my town at one time. He was invited to visit their church of Christ on Sunday once. He went there, and after the service, the pastor, his neighbor, asked him how he liked it all. My friend replied.......well, you could use a piano here........upon which he was told he was ****** and was'nt saved.

Go figure.



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Thanks Daneel. I wan't aware of that. I was vaguely aware that the Church of Christ did not allow musical intruments. Do they also ban singing?
I'm really not sure. It's enough to blow my mind on a daily basis just how much the Word of God has been changed by mans laws, not Gods Laws.


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I'm really not sure. It's enough to blow my mind on a daily basis just how much the Word of God has been changed by mans laws, not Gods Laws.

No we sing. Yes I am also amazed at how man has distorted the word of God. Ya'll do some indepth reading on your particular founding fathers of your particular denomination and see what they had to say about it. I put several in an earlier post in this thread if you aren't afraid to check it out.
 
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