Matthew 24: FULFILLED

Originally posted by jenlu
the completion of what age or the end of what age?...that is the question...I believe it was the age about to end within the generation then living ended...now if you want to discuss the signs(although I'm sure you've heard the explanations before) we can...but I believe matthew 24 to be about that generation...you believe it to be about this generation...fine...so we've gone nowhere...
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Hi,
Are you addressing jenlu in particular? Read your missive and the two before, and see if you can 'see' that there truely is another [spiritual dimension]! Gone no where?
Can a person not accept the fact that both are right? :confused: :scratch:
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Originally posted by armothe
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Hi armothe, Pastor N.B. here:
At the bottom you ask me what I think of Pauls Words? Let me 'touch' on all of these verses? for I think that wildfire is correct in all of the 66 books being the Masters words as described by the writer. I will answer 'my' thinking between the stars. (***) :)
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To answer Christ's requirement:

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14)

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The [second time] around will find Christ's Word a fact! This is why in the last days KNOWLEDGE IS TO BE INCREASED.
T.V. was not given for football games! But to finish the work! Try Matt. 10:23-'till the Son of man be come'. He was [already] there talking! So it was an END TIME SETTING that was meant! But.. do not miss the WORD 'persecute'! Read Rom. 2 & you can find who all Christians are. Need help? Read the last few verses.. SPIRITUAL JEWS!
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Paul states several times this has been accomplished:

All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God's grace in all its truth. (Colossian 1:6)

if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. (Colossians 1:23)

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. (Romans 1:8)

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The above is clear for my understanding. The below finds me asking you who Israel today is? Israel as a Nation (denomination) were 'left desolate' in Matt. 23. The [new] denomination are now Spiritual Jews. (regardless if we like that truth or not? Rom. 2:28-29) Israel of old are saved the same way as you & I were, individually by accepting the Master! (NO OTHER WAY)
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But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world (Romans 10:16-18)

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The above? Isreal of old were given 'seven times' (years) 27-34A.D alone, Matt. 10:*5-6. They were LOST! ONLY a few of these accepted the Master & made up His new denomination, and were the centerfold of His church. At the end of 27-34 AD Saul was converted & the Gentile were brought in! :clap: But make no mistake! It was not the Jewish doctrines that were at fault! Try Matt. 23:3.
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What would you make of Paul's words?

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The words that I like best are seen in his 'full' surrender of that past 'foolish' will of his! Verse 6 0f Acts 9 says: "And he trembling and astonished said, [Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?]" Conversion changed him from a murderer to a saint! End P/N/B/ remarks
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Pastor,

Thank you for your reply, however; it seems that perhaps things got a bit off track.

In the verses I quoted from the writings of Paul, he states that the "faith/gospel" had been preached to the entire "earth/world/nations" during the 1st century.

My question was geared more towards whether or not you agree with Paul's observations, or perhaps you found a different interpretation of his statements.

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Originally posted by armothe
Pastor,

Thank you for your reply, however; it seems that perhaps things got a bit off track.

In the verses I quoted from the writings of Paul, he states that the "faith/gospel" had been preached to the entire "earth/world/nations" during the 1st century.

My question was geared more towards whether or not you agree with Paul's observations, or perhaps you found a different interpretation of his statements.

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Paul here: er' rather 'p'astor N.B.
:) Am I spinning my wheels again? :confused:
I thought that Peter said that Pauls words were hard to be understood?

What 'i' believe matters NOTHING! This is what the WORD OF GOD SAID. (through Paul)

"But I say, Have they not heard? [YES verily], ((Webster says for the word Verily... "in much truth--CERTAINLY--TRULY--CONFIDENTLY")) their sound went into [all the earth], and their words [unto the ends of the world]." Rom. 10:18 in the K.J.

I believe what the 'Word of God' has just been said in part! OK? In part?? Yes, read on!
This verse cannot stand alone without the conditional
EVERLASTING GOSPEL. (2 Tim. 3:16-1 Cor. 14:32) Do you know what EVERLASTING MEANS? Nor can it stand alone without the EVERLASTING COVENANT. Do you know what an 'everlasting COVENANT' means? The verses? Rev. 14:6 first part & Heb. 13:20 last part, both N.T.

The SAME GOD stated that it is a REPEATED MESSAGE! [TWICE]
In other words, Teaching Faith alone, without works is a 1/2 'g'ospel that is NO Gospel, OK? Another? Promises of God without its Covenant CONDITIONS, is also a 1/2 'g'ospel that is NO Gospel.

So, to leave out what they all understood in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 & use these verses are abstract at best! perhaps even 2 Cor. 4:2

But simply put in answer to your question? It is an qualified YES :) with the ETERNAL GOSPEL CONDITIONS REQUIRED!
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N.B.

I can tell you have greate zeal for the Word.

However, I am unable to make heads or tails of your responses.

Let me put this into a "yes or no" question:

Do you believe Paul clearly stated in his letters that the disciples and apostles were accomplishing the goal of spreading the gospel to the entire world just as Christ had prophesied?


Again, my references:

All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God's grace in all its truth. (Colossian 1:6)

if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. (Colossians 1:23)

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. (Romans 1:8)

But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world (Romans 10:16-18)

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Acts6:5:
...Postrib, do you ever believe that an OT prophecy was fulfilled during the OT times, or do you believe that they only ever refer to some future time at the end of the world?...
I believe many of them have not been fulfilled.

...When Isaiah prophecied the "burden" against Babylon, Moab, Damascus, and Egypt, is it your position that Isaiah wasn't talking about those ancient countries at all, but was only ever using those names as codes to describe end of the world events?...
Can you cite the specific passage you're referring to?

...You say that Isaiah 13:5 hasn't happened, and yet verse 17 describes exactly who God would use to bring down Babylon: the Medes...
I believe verse 17 could have been fulfilled, but that the Medes did not fulfill verse 5, which I believe will be fulfilled when Jesus returns with his heavenly army (Revelation 19:14) to destroy Babylon (Revelation 18:21).
 
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