Judgement Seat Of Christ = Purgatory?!?

GreenEyedLady said:
Purgatory is defined as an event that happens to your works (whether good or bad) and are tried by fire

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Is this true? I'd like to know....

I was always told that purgatory was a Catholic doctrine and referred to a place where people went, who had not received Christ, to pay for their sins so that they could get into heaven.

/me would like to hear an explanation as well..

Purgatory:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031).

The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.



Two Judgments

When we die, we undergo what is called the particular, or individual, judgment. Scripture says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We are judged instantly and receive our reward, for good or ill. We know at once what our final destiny will be. At the end of time, when Jesus returns, there will come the general judgment to which the Bible refers, for example, in Matthew 25:31-32: "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." In this general judgment all our sins will be publicly revealed (Luke 12:2–5).

Augustine said, in The City of God, that "temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment." It is between the particular and general judgments, then, that the soul is purified of the remaining consequences of sin: "I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper" (Luke 12:59).


This came from www.catholic.com

Originally posted by Martin

I was always told that purgatory was a Catholic doctrine and referred to a place where people went, who had not received Christ, to pay for their sins so that they could get into heaven.

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That is wrong. It's for people who *have* received Christ to have their remaining unforgiven sins burned away in preparation for their entrance to Heaven.

Before starting the invetable "that nullfies the cross" challenge you should have a look at the Puragtory threads that are currently ongoing.

-Chris

Before starting the invetable "that nullfies the cross" challenge you should have a look at the Puragtory threads that are currently ongoing.

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Kern, I sense some agitation....

I'm not going to start anything, I just wanted to know what the Catholic view on Purgatory was - thanks for telling me....it's dangerous to jump to conclusions...bless you!

Originally posted by Martin


Kern, I sense some agitation....

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Yeah, there might be some there, although I shouldn't have directed it at you.

-Chris

LOL. It can get agitating, when you're faced with eleventy-dozen threads in four different forums, all of them dealing with the exact same subject, and all of them asking the exact same questions, coming at the topic with the exact same misconceptions.

I myself declined to answer an accusation about "money for indulgences" in another forum earlier tonight; the subject has been explained at least a dozen times, and yet the poster turns right around with the exact same myths we started with, all of which had been rebutted ages ago....

It wasn't worth it. I more or less waved it off and said, "Believe whatever you want."

It can get very, very, very tiresome after a while. So don't be too hard on our friend kern. He has a thankless job.

Thanks, wolseley...again, Martin, I apologize, I shouldn't have "mouthed off" so soon.

-Chris

Originally posted by Wolseley

I myself declined to answer an accusation about "money for indulgences" in another forum earlier tonight; the subject has been explained at least a dozen times, and yet the poster turns right around with the exact same myths we started with, all of which had been rebutted ages ago....

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Yeah, I noticed that. I thought the explanations were quite well presented, and should be sufficient.

i do not know but people said read the book of machabees
there u should find purgatory

Sorry, I haven't done much Bible study and I haven't looked at that yet. Maybe one of the gurus can comment?

-Chris

GEL,

The word "judgment" seat there is "Beimer" seat in the original Greek.

Did u watch Gladiator? U know the seat/stand in the arena where the Emperor hands out the crown/reward to the champion gladiator -- that's the same word used there. (Note Paul writing in Roman times so he uses that word to best illustrate it)

so in the Bible, the "judgment seat" of Christ judgement is the time when Christ hands out rewards to the Christian. It is not a hell-fire judgement thing but a reward thing. The hell-fire judgement thing wld be the Great White Throne judgment of which we have passed (no worries) becos we have the blood of Christ.

God bless.

Jesus stood before a bema (a judgment seat) and got sent off to be scourged and crucified. Paul was also taken before one, but the guy on it said he refused to judge in that case. It doesn't really sound like a place that rewards are doled out and rewards fail to be doled out. It more in those cases sounds like the accused before a tribunal where you possibly get punished.

cf acts 18:12 and john 19:13 and thereabouts.

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
OK...Does any protestant know anything about the judgement seat of Christ.
I seem to be the only one here that has commented on it.


Come on guys.....give me your replies

GEL

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Lu 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, "Occupy till I come".


Lu 19:15 And it came to pass, that when..."he was returned",.... having received the kingdom,... then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over...."ten cities".

18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over..."five cities".

Re 20:4 and they lived and "REIGNED" with Christ a thousand years.

Re 20:6 but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall "REIGN" with him a thousand years.

Does that help you???

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
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I'm guessing those are for me, since they are right under my post. I wasn't trying to be confusing! I don't know much about the distinction some groups make between the white throne judgement and the bema seat judgement, so that is probably the problem. I was responding both to Andrew and to something at one of the sites GEL listed. Andrew seems to imply that the usage of bema seat (the judgment seat in some translations) is one more like an athletic contest and thus not one (I surmize) where punishment (other than getting no reward) happens. But that doesn't immediately square for me with the new testament usage of the Greek word "bema". Both places I mentioned use it:

John 19:13 Therefore when Pilate heard these words, he brought Jesus out, and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha.

Acts 18:12 But while Gallio was proconsul of Achaia, the Jews with one accord rose up against Paul and brought him before the judgment seat

The underlying Greek word is the same as where GEL was talking about (2cor 5:10). Also, one of the sites GEL mentions draws the distinction between two types of judgments, those of criminal proceedings, and those where prizes are awarded after an athletic competition. And it seems that the judgment seat is supposed to be the second type, not the first. This doesn't immediately work for me in light of the two passages that seem to represent secular usage in Jesus's day. In the examples I cited, it specifically does not look like a reward for an athelic contest. It looks more like the other kind, the criminal proceeding kind. I guess I am saying that if what the judgment seat of Christ is is based on the Greek usage of the word bema, then I don't get it.