Is God Finished with Israel?

isn't this more or less the same as the replacement theology post?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Read the parable of Luke 20:9 and Matthew 21:33 as Jesus is telling them that he will take the kingdom of God away from them meaning that God will no longer bless his word to save and but will bless his word elsewhere to save a great multitude. Remeber God curse the fig tree...that fig tree represent national Israel..as of today majority of the israelities will remain unbelievers up until Judgment Day, a remnant of israel will be saved..

The bible does teach this subject..I wish God could save a lot of people in national israel but God is God and his will is perfect.

Why is there even a question --of course, He isn't "finished"!

Howdy "ThankyouJesus",

Greetings. The Bible clearly teaches that a remnant of natural Israel will be converted at the return of Christ:
Micah 4:6-8 (KJV): "6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; 7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever. 8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

Romans 11:25 was quoted earlier, and the next verse speaks of the conversion of Israel at Christ's return:
Romans 11:25-28 (KJV): "25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes."

Kind regards
Trevor

Israel are at the center of the world history ............ God has not finished with her .

So of course God has not finished with National Israel , she will be converted to Christ as a nation.

True all races are called to a living relationship with God through Christ , but we Gentiles so often fail to realise , that we are grafted into the True Israel ........ there are not two peoples of God , there are not two brides of Christ , we are REAL Jews!

ThankyouJesus said:

Is God Finished with Israel?

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As a national, political group, yes.

ThankyouJesus said:

As someone who studies the Bible OT & NT ~ I would like to learn more on this subject ~ Personally ~ I believe God is not finished with Israel ~ but there are different verses in different Bibles

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Greetings Thank You Jesus,

There is an abundance of information in the NT regarding the Salvation of ALL Israel, NOT just a remnant. First consider Romans 9-11, read the intro to each of the chapters, then read the text, here is the flow:

9) Paul laments that the Jews, (his brothers in the flesh) rejected Christ
10) Paul tells HOW they must be saved
11) Paul goes on to say that ALL Israel shall be saved

Then go to Ephesians 1-3 and consider Christ as a "carpenter" who is building His church and then see what it is composed of.

Now put these two together and we know that Christ is continuing to build His church which will one day receive its "fulness of gentiles", but then will come the "fulness of the Jews".

The Jews and the promises God has made to their Fathers remain because of God's great love for the "fathers".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

The following is a continuation of a previous discussion I had with thereselittleflower in regard to Amos 11.

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There is absolutely no reason to believe that Jesus has to return first before the tent of David would be rebuilt.

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But here is what James said:

"And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up"(Acts 15:15,16).

In regard to these words thereselittleflower says:

Again, Mr. Shugart is assuming facts not in evidence, and has failed to, in any way, prove his claim that the "After this I will return" refers to the second coming of Jesus. . . .

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thereselittleflower says that these words refer to the first advent of the Lord Jesus and she admits that Zechariah 12:8-9 were fulfilled at His first advent:

Since James tells us this prophecy in Amos 9:11-15 is fulfilled in the time of the Apostles, and since Zech 12:8-9 speaks of the same thing that Amos does here, Zech 12: 8-9 is also fulfilled in the time of the Apostles.

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Perhaps thereselittleflower will tell us when these verses from Zechariah were fulfilled at the first coming of the Lord Jesus:

"In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem"(Zech.12:8-9).

In His grace,--Jerry

Greetings Jerry,

I just want to address this:

Acts 15:7-17 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

The book of Acts took place while the Temple was yet standing although the veil to the Holy of Holies had been rent. James is referring to Peter's speaking of the gentiles who had been preached to and whom God had brought into the fold. So what lied in "ruins". The "spiritual temple of Israel". Do we not find that Jesus said: "Destroy this temple and in 3 days I shall rebuild it"? This is the new temple which even now is being built.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Dad Ernie,

All Israel is pointing to the spiritual Israel not physical..For an example if you believe that you're a child of God then you're part of the Israel(spiritually) that God is talking about in Romans 9/11. Majority of the jews don't believe that Jesus was the messiah, so they're still waiting for the messiah to come and have the physical temple ready thinking that he will one day come and abide in that temple somehow.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Jacob here is a picture of the true believers who will become saved and turn away from ungodliness to serve Christ. A small remnant(don't know what the numbers will be)shall be saved in national israel but majority of them is blinded by God.

No, God WILL fulfil all His promises to Israel. He is not finished with them and never will be because His purposes for the world revolve around the nation of Israel!

Greetings James,

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Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

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Unfortunately you are in error, as well as many others who think the way you do. Those "that are NOT all Israel" means those of Jacob who do not have the "faith of Abraham", who is the Father of our Faith. Gentiles are drawn alongside "spiritual Israel" to be one with them in Christ. They never replace Israel nor become Israel, even spiritually speaking. The Olive Tree in Romans 11 is the "Kingdom of God", and this is perhaps where you and others are confused. The Kingdom of God was TAKEN FROM Israel and given to the "nations" to a people group that would produce fruit, until the "fulness of the gentiles be come in (to the Kingdom of God)", THEN shall come the "fulness of ALL Israel into the Kingdom of God".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

depthdeception said:

As a national, political group, yes.

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Salvatore Gonzales said:

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Yes, very enlightening. THanks!

Ernie,

The father of our faith is the Lord Jesus Christ, not Abraham. God uses people to typify himself in them. So you're telling me those who are not in the line of Jacob physically, cannot receive the faith of Abraham? God is not a respecter of persons, he will save whom he will save. All Israel is whoever was chosen before the foundation of the world to salvation, we be the new jersualem in the new heavens and new earth.

Romans 10:9 is a verse that most people believe is the way to salvation, just one verse they stick with and do not compare with the rest of the whole bible.


James

James1979 said:

The father of our faith is the Lord Jesus Christ, not Abraham.

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Romans 4:9-12 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4:16-17 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God uses people to typify himself in them. So you're telling me those who are not in the line of Jacob physically, cannot receive the faith of Abraham?

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Where did I say that? Is not God the God of the Gentiles also? Abraham's faith is the kind of faith for which God imputes righteousness. Do you not know these things?

God is not a respecter of persons, he will save whom he will save. All Israel is whoever was chosen before the foundation of the world to salvation, we be the new jersualem in the new heavens and new earth.

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Again you show your naivette. The first to receive the manifest presence of God was the gentiles, NOT the Jews. Your High Priest, if you are Christ's, is of the order of Melchizedek, a gentile. Abraham was "of the nations" and so was Isaac. IOW gentiles. We do not have to become a part of Israel, nor do we replace them, nor are we the new "spiritual Israel". Please Read the introduction of chapters 9-11 and you will see that Paul is talking mainly about the Jews, NOT GENTILES.

I think you need to go back to the foundations of your faith and start learning all over again.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie