Is Evolution a Religion?

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The following definition of religion is from the Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.

religion:


a system of thought, feeling, and action that is shared by a group and that gives the members an object of devotion; a code of behavior by which individuals may judge the personal and social consequences of their actions; and a frame of reference by which individuals may relate to their group and their universe. Usually, religion concerns itself with that which transcends the known, the natural, or the expected; it is an acknowledgment of the extraordinary, the mysterious, and the supernatural. The religious consciousness generally recognizes a transcendent, sacred order and elaborates a technique to deal with the inexplicable or unpredictable elements of human experience in the world or beyond it.

Types of Religious Systems
The evolution of religion cannot be precisely determined owing to the lack of clearly distinguishable stages, but anthropological and historical studies of isolated cultures in various periods of development have suggested a typology but not a chronology. One type is found among some Australian aborigines who practice magic and fetishism (see fetish) but consider the powers therein to be not supernatural but an aspect of the natural world. Inability or refusal to divide real from preternatural and acceptance of the idea that inanimate objects may work human good or evil are sometimes said to mark a prereligious phase of thought. This is sometimes labeled naturism or animatism. It is characterized by a belief in a life force that itself has no definite characterization (see animism).

A second type of religion, represented by many Oceanic and African tribal beliefs, includes momentary deities (a tree suddenly falling on or in front of a person is malignant, although it was not considered “possessed” before or after the incident) and special deities (a particular tree is inhabited by a malignant spirit, or the spirits of dead villagers inhabit a certain grove or particular animals). In this category one must distinguish between natural and supernatural forces. This development is related to the emergence of objects of devotion, to rituals of propitiation, to priests and shamans, and to an individual sense of group participation in which the individual or the group is protected by, or against, supernatural beings and is expected to act singly or collectively in specific ways when in the presence of these forces (see ancestor worship; totem; spiritism).

In a third class of religion—usually heavily interlaced with fetishism—magic, momentary and special deities, nature gods, and deities personifying natural functions (such as the Egyptian solar god Ra, the Babylonian goddess of fertility Ishtar, the Greek sea-god Poseidon, and the Hindu goddess of death and destruction Kali) emerge and are incorporated into a system of mythology and ritual. Sometimes they take on distinctively human characteristics (see anthropomorphism).

Beyond these more elementary forms of religious expression there are what are commonly called the “higher religions.” Theologians and philosophers of religion agree that these religions embody a principle of transcendence, i.e., a concept, sometimes a godhead, that involves humans in an experience beyond their immediate personal and social needs, an experience known as “the sacred” or “the holy.”

In the comparative study of these religions certain classifications are used. The most frequent are polytheism (as in popular Hinduism and ancient Greek religion), in which there are many gods; dualism (as in Zoroastrianism and certain Gnostic sects), which conceives of equally powerful deities of good and of evil; monotheism (as in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam), in which there is a single god; supratheism (as in Hindu Vedanta and certain Buddhist sects), in which the devotee participates in the religion through a mystical union with the godhead; and pantheism, in which the universe is identified with God.

Another frequently used classification is based on the origins of the body of knowledge held by a certain religion: some religions are revealed, as in Judaism (where God revealed the Commandments to Moses), Christianity (where Christ, the Son of God, revealed the Word of the Father), and Islam (where the angel Gabriel revealed God’s will to Muhammad). Some religions are nonrevealed, or “natural,” the result of human inquiry alone. Included among these and sometimes called philosophies of eternity are Buddhist sects (where Buddha is recognized not as a god but as an enlightened leader), Brahmanism, and Taoism and other Chinese metaphysical doctrines.
 

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The reason I bring this question up, is because I just listened to Kent Hovind repeatedly state that evolution is a religion.

He uses the word "believe" and "faith" to prove his point. Does every type of belief equate to religion? Does every type of faith equate to religion?


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I would say it's not a religion, because the reasons to believe it are different; there are many kinds of beliefs, and they aren't all interchangeable. My belief that humans are essentially good is not a religious one, but it's totally beyond proof our counterargument either way; it's just a point of faith about how I see the world. My belief in God is clearly religious. My belief in clearly written code as a good engineering practice isn't even really faith.

Hovind is a charlatan. That's about as charitable as I can make it; I can at least assume that he's doing it because he thinks it's harmless and makes people happy.
 
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To call evolution a religion is to weaken the definition of religion so much as to make the word meaningless. If evolution is a religion, then all science is a religion as well. People may claim it takes 'faith' to believe in scientific principles, but it's not the same kind of faith as religion.

-Chris
 
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I believe George W. Bush is less-than-intelligent. I have faith he will continue to under-impress.

But George W. Bush is not a religion.

I believe the speed of light is a universal constant. I have faith that gravity will pull me back to the earth when I jump.

Special Relativity is not a religion.

Evolution is not a religion.
 
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Evolution is a religious worldview. Just like other religions have their differences of interpretations and/or opinions, so do those who believe that evolution occurred. Key word: belief. I happen to believe that there is one God, that all of creation speaks clearly of His divine Authorship and artistry, He has spoken and given us that message through writing inspired by His Spirit, and He offers two eternal destinations for us to choose from, either eternal suffering for our sin, or eternal joy because we accept His atoning gift in His Son, Christ Jesus.
Evolutionists (excluding theistics) believe that:
1. There is no God, there is only matter and energy. (excluding extreme gnosticism)
2. Since there is no God, he/she/it cannot have created all things. Therefore, all things evolved from an original "something" (what that original something is varies with the "denominations" under the evolutionary umbrella)through some "process" or "processes", over some length of time, almost always an amount that cannot be scientifically tested, much less proven.
3. Since they believe that everything "evolved", all scientific data that is collected and analyzed is done so with this belief already their basis for interpretation (just as the belief in the Bible is for Christians). Thus, any and all data must be able to conform to or support their belief, or the data is incorrect, or has been incorrectly analyzed.
4. Lack of evidence for evolution does not concern those who believe it occurred, since they believe it occurred regardless of what anyone or anything else says. This is generally true of any religion, including my own.
5. Evolutionists are, in general, full of faith in what they believe and, hence, they think that everyone else should accept is as truth, just as any other religion. However, just as Dr. Hovind has said, this religion is state-sponsored and tax-supported, and is pushed in every science book in the public school system (and public university) as fact, not theory or belief, though many times the language used in the textbook should key us in on the fact that much of what is there is "thought to be..." or "probably caused..." or "could have been..." etc. etc. etc.

Is evolution a religion? Well...
Does it have a belief system?
Does that belief system attempt to explain origin and meaning of life (or lack thereof!)?
Is that belief system based on observable and tastable (repeatedly) facts, or only possibilities, speculation, and amplified models that are based on the model builder's beliefs?
Evolutionists believe that evolution occurred, and that is how we are here today.
I believe we were created by an intelligent Designer, an Architect, a master Builder, and that is how we are here today.
"Choose you this day whom you will serve..."
Joshua 24:15
 
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Originally posted by FertileGround

Is evolution a religion? Well...
Does it have a belief system?
Does that belief system attempt to explain origin and meaning of life (or lack thereof!)?

No. Biologic evolution attempts to explain the diversity of species, not origins or meaning.
 
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Originally posted by FertileGround
Evolution is a religious worldview.

Wrong. Evolution is the scientific theory used to explain the origins of the diversity of living species on the planet Earth.

Any attempt to portray it as something more than that is a mere straw man.
 
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Originally posted by FertileGround
Evolution is a religious worldview. Just like other religions have their differences of interpretations and/or opinions, so do those who believe that evolution occurred. Key word: belief. I happen to believe that there is one God, that all of creation speaks clearly of His divine Authorship and artistry, He has spoken and given us that message through writing inspired by His Spirit, and He offers two eternal destinations for us to choose from, either eternal suffering for our sin, or eternal joy because we accept His atoning gift in His Son, Christ Jesus.

However, your belief is not basic on the scientific method or any method of systematic hypotheses and experiments. This doesn't mean it's wrong, it just means it's faith rather than science. Evolution is based on hypothesis, experiments, data, and the scientific method. Sure, people "believe" it's true, but it's not religion.


Evolutionists (excluding theistics) believe that:

You don't really seem to know what Evolution is.


Is evolution a religion? Well...
Does it have a belief system?

What is your definition of "belief system"? Is mathematics a religion? Physics?


Does that belief system attempt to explain origin and meaning of life (or lack thereof!)?

Evolution does not attempt to explain either the origin or meaning of life. There are abiogenesis theories which attempt to explain the origin (but even these can't "disprove" God), but that's not Evolution.

And no science attempts to explain the meaning of life, that's outside of the realm of science.


Is that belief system based on observable and tastable (repeatedly) facts, or only possibilities, speculation, and amplified models that are based on the model builder's beliefs?

Observable facts and mountains of data collected for many years.


Evolutionists believe that evolution occurred, and that is how we are here today.

Sure, in the same way that people believe in gravity, heliocentrism, etc.

-Chris
 
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Originally posted by FertileGround
Evolution is a religious worldview.

People keep asserting this, but no one seems to be able to show any connection between my willingness to accept evolution as an explanation, and my deep-seated beliefs about morality, spirituality, or anything of the sort. Speciation did not die for my sins; unused DNA does not assure me that I am loved.

It doesn't speak to religious issues, and it's no more a "religion" than my belief that, if I stop going out to eat so much, I'll have more money left at the end of every month. :)
 
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Well then, what would be wrong with portraying creationism as a viable "theory" to explain the origin of the diversity of living species on the planet earth?
I have no problem with the theory, but I do have a problem with science books at the high school or university that that claim evolution as fact, and bases learning material for students on this assumption. If textbooks are going to claim this and that about living things on earth as fact, and it is in fact only theory, there IS a PROBLEM with that, because it is a deception based on a belief, not on science.
 
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Originally posted by FertileGround
Well then, what would be wrong with portraying creationism as a viable "theory" to explain the origin of the diversity of living species on the planet earth?

Actually there is no problem with presenting creationism as a viable theory. The problem stems from those who want to present it as a viable scientific theory. Creationism is fine to discuss in theology class, but not biology.

I have no problem with the theory, but I do have a problem with science books at the high school or university that that claim evolution as fact, and bases learning material for students on this assumption. If textbooks are going to claim this and that about living things on earth as fact, and it is in fact only theory, there IS a PROBLEM with that, because it is a deception based on a belief, not on science.

Please see the "evolution is a fact and a theory" FAQ at:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
 
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Originally posted by randman
I think calling it a cult, at least for some, is a better word to use than religion per se.

Gosh, that's a really deep insight. I guess a "cultish" belief would be one based in a very unlikely interpretation of an old text that wasn't even in the field it's being used to discuss, coupled with people with fake degrees making the same false claims about other beliefs over and over in an attempt to keep those beliefs from being accepted. Ideally, it would also be based on a number of mutually-exclusive false claims, and would try to characterize any opposing belief system as "a cult".

Hmm. You may be on to something. I'm sure I've seen a belief system defended in precisely that way here. I'm trying to think of which one it was; which one is the one with the guy with the mail-order diploma in "Christian Education" which he uses as a basis for raking in money selling video tapes?
 
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Originally posted by FertileGround
Well then, what would be wrong with portraying creationism as a viable "theory" to explain the origin of the diversity of living species on the planet earth?

Because creationism is based on Christian beliefs, and schools are not allowed to teach such beliefs outside of comparative religion studies courses.

What’s wrong with keeping the schools neutral, and teaching your kids creation at home? What harm in that?

I’m an atheist, my two teenage sons are atheist, but I require they read the Bible so they understand Christianity.
 
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