Rome today?

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Blackhawk

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Does anyone else notice how the United States (really all the world) is becoming more and more like Rome. We were founded on many principles that came form the greeks and romans but lately I have been noticing that we are really becoming like them.

Look at our society compared to theirs.

1. In both societies it was okay to worship any religion as long as you would also worship the gods.

Today we have to be tolerant of all religions. WE have to say things like Christianity is right for me but Buddhism might be right for you. If we go against this by saying Jesus is the only way then we are looked down upon as weird. That is how the early Christians were looked at. They were looked as weird because they would not worship all the gods. They were actually tortured because they would not worship the other gods. If they would of then Rome might of left them alone.

2. In roman times there was many orgies, drunkedness and lewdness. Today we see the same things. Homosexuality, MAMBLA, drug legalization, and other things show that we are a very permissive society also. The Christians of that day were looked at as abnormal because they did not satisfy their lustful desires. And so are we. Saving yourself until marraige is weird in todays society. Some say it can't be done. So again we see ourselves as very much like them.

3. Rome progressed trade and communication to new heights. Through their road system they made it easier to trade and also to communicate ideas and customs across national and cultural borders. Today we have our iternet and the ease of getting to the other side of the world that has never been seen ever. Ideas from other cultures and other nations (particularly eastern culture) are mixing with western culture and with Christianity more and more.

4. Now of course persecution was widespread for Christians during Roman times. Look at today. Christians are looked at as weird and not normal. Tehy are looked at as intolerant homophobic weirdos. But let's go to places like Sudan where Christians today are being killed for their religous beliefs. Chinese Christians are also persecuted.

5. Also look at some of the issues that the early Christians were discussing. The Trinity, Jesus' Godhood, Gnostic heresies, and the mystery religions. Just to name a few. Do those look familiar?


These are some of the things that I see that make today's society eerily close to Roman society. I do nto know what exactly to make of this but it is scary to me.

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FEAR NOT!

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear because fear has to do with punishment." 1 John4:18a

"A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you make the Most High your dwelling--even the Lord, who is my refuge--then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent."

Psalm 91:7-10 :clap:

We live in Egypt, Rome and Babylon combined. We live in the world, and the world does not love us because it did not love Him. But do not fear, for "the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world!" :bow: (1 John 4)

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In a way I think that you are right. I think that since the fall there has always been sinners. So I believe that ther are always some of the things I stted above. However I do not think there is always the same amount of it. I think that we are more like Rome now than when the U.S. first began. Sure there was some of the stuff I mentioned above back then but not at the level it is today.

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Unfortunately, Blackhawk, it's more and more like Sodom and Gomorrah to me!

In the Women's Discussion, a member posted information that Abercrombie and Fitch is marketing thong underwear for little girls.

I remarked about parents of young girls who are marketing provocative videotapes of their children as an excuse to get them started in a modeling career.

Look at the continuing popularity of the so-called "slasher flicks." See Hollywood stars with the morality of tomcats!

Get married today, get divorced tomorrow! Throw away any children you don't want.

May God have mercy on us all.


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"Evil men and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." " People will be lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God--having a form of godliness but denying its power."
2 Timothy 3:2-5a

What's really sad is this sounds like too many
"Christians" I've known. :cry:

In context, we must remember that Paul is writing about the times leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem, but he certainly gives us the litmus test for ungodliness in society, doesn't he?

Peace to all who seek it.
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Another parallel between our current world and Rome is abortion. It is a little know fact, but 2000 years ago, there were abortions, not just infanticide, but also poisons and "pessaries" that were available to cause abortion. In almost every culture, except that of the Greeks and Romans, it was illegal to perform an abortion. Like Rome, we too now allow and even encourage the killing of innocent babies. Isn't it sad?
 
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Of course your assuming the rest of the world is a spotless lamb. The US isnt the most sexually perverse country on the planet there are many that are worse. Europe as a whole&nbsp;for instance I would argue is as bad if not&nbsp;worse. The Middle East is dominated by Muslim Fundamentalist regimes that butcher those of other religions, women are treated much the same way they were 2000 years ago. Christians are being persecuted by the thousands. While in other countries children are sold as sex slaves.

My point being that while the US is going down the gutter morally much of the rest of the world is a lot farther along than we are. While we in the US get a lot flak for are beliefs, we have it GOOD compared to the rest of our brethren. try here: http://www.persecution.org/
 
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