midtrib and post trib destroy immenince!!

Status
Not open for further replies.

rollinTHUNDER

Veteran
Dec 30, 2001
1,936
13
Central Florida USA
Visit site
✟22,549.00
Country
United States
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
Gary777 said:
We need to understand that it is the deispensationalists with theyr view on a furture 7 year tribulation, that are NOT beeing litaral about this, but is making presuptions about a second fulfillment of prophecy.

You mean dual fulfillment prophecy? I got one for ya.

Most people know that Jesus already came once, but He'll be coming back again to complete the dual fulfillment. Both of His comings will be during the time when Daniel's 4th beast was reigning on the earth. In His first coming He came during the legs of iron of King Neb's statue, but the 2nd time will be during the two feet with ten toes. And Christ, the Rock is going to smash the feet and toes and put an end to the gold, silver, bronze and the iron and clay of Satan's dominion. Amen!! Hallelujah!! :bow:
 
Upvote 0

Whiteknight777

Posttrib believer
Jan 30, 2004
39
0
✟149.00
Faith
Christian
if you believe in the mid or post trib belief...are you looking for Christ or Antichrist??

I guess I would start by stating that the apostle Paul taught Post-trib doctrine.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

This is very difficult for pretribbers to comprehend because of the desire to interpret the Bible by their doctrine rather than interpret their doctrine from the Bible.

There is a built in assumption within the wording of your question. Your question has a built in assumption that all mid and posttribbers are looking for the anti-christ rather than Christ. Would I be safe to say that you and others are looking for the Revived Roman Empire or had in past looked for Israel to return to the land? Are there pretribbers that look for the building of the temple? How about that covenant of peace you mentioned at the beginning of this thread?

The point I am trying to make is, we all look of things to interpret the signs of the times. I do not look for the anti-christ to deliver me from this world and change this vile body to be fashioned like His own body. That is the blessed hope I look for Christ's coming for. I will take Paul the apostles advice and not be deceived by any means, that His coming (Christ's) and our gathering unto Him will not come before the revealing of the man of sin (anti-christ). I look for this event to tell how close we are to the important event of our gathering unto Christ at His coming.

As Kent Hovind quotes "To ask a question with a built in assumption is like asking the question, 'Have you stopped beating your wife lately'. The answering of yes assumes that you used to beat your wife and the answering of no assumes that you still are."

That is precisely the same predicament that one puts a person in when stating that anyone but pre-trib looks for the anti-christ rather than Christ. Yes, we look for the anti-christ to tell of the signs of the times that in turn tell of the vastly more important event of the coming of Christ. Just as the above quoted question that Hovind gives regarding a built in assumption question, Yes I have stopped beating my wife by never starting to beat her.

Whiteknight
 
Upvote 0

Brooks

Member
Feb 27, 2004
15
0
✟125.00
Faith
Christian
Post-trib is partly true, but so is pre-trib also partly true. Pre+Post is your answer. Let's come together in harmony as Christians. There is a 1st rapture of overcomers in Christ, overcoming matyrs raptured during the Tribulation and the last trumpet resurrection.

You are 1st raptured if you were watchful and ready keeping the word of His patience, accounted worth to escape the Hour of trial, that Hour which is to come upon the whole world. You will be readied to be received if you are ready to be received before the Tribulation of 7 years starts.

The harmony is right here before us if only we hath an ear to hear. And this is how it can no longer be a waiting for the Antichrist and death for a post-tribber, just as it need not be an overassuming for the pre-tribber, not even realizing he is in the Great Tribulation when it is happening.

Everyone, let us stop deceiving ourselves and come to the harmony of what has already been offered to you by the grace of God.
 
Upvote 0

Zorobabel

Gardener King
Nov 2, 2002
157
2
39
Lawrence, KS, USA
Visit site
✟357.00
Faith
Calvinist
Marital Status
Engaged
Literally speaking, we'll be giving up sin offerings and sacrafices in the Millenium. These aren't "remembrance" offerings because the Bible doesn't say anything of the sort. If you read remembrance sacrafices/offerings into the text you must be some sort of spiritual whacko not taking the Bible literally. Obviously, we should be as literal as possible with all prophecy.
 
Upvote 0

RVincent

Onions make me gassy.
Dec 16, 2003
1,385
55
55
Tempe, AZ
✟1,854.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Politics
US-Republican
The "any moment" doctrine is the result of strectches and insertions.

Nowhere is the term "any moment" used.

If your parents tell you, "We're going out tonight dear, and before we return your aunt will call and the pot roast should be ready. We cannot tell you precisely when we return home."

Did they say we "will return at any moment"? They said we don't know when. But before they do, wait for your aunt to call and take the roast out of the oven.

The fact that nobody knows the day or the hour does not negate the things that must happen "after that" (Mark 13:24).

70 AD was a walk in the park compared to Revelation 16:21. The West Wall still stands.
 
Upvote 0

Mordacai

Member
Feb 29, 2004
14
0
Indiana
✟124.00
Faith
Christian
startswithaj said:
if you believe in the mid or post trib belief...are you looking for Christ or Antichrist?? The fact that scripture says he could come at any moment would be lost, wouldn't it? we'd just be looking 3 1/2 years(or 7, for post trib) after antichrist makes his covenant with israel.
Dr. Tim LaHaye made an interesting point in one of his books, he pointed out that people who take the bible literally whenever possible(unless its indicated otherwise in the text) are more often than not, pretribbers!
How could we take the bible anything but literally?
Grace & Peace 2 ya!
love in christ,
-justin

Could possibly be that post and mid trib advocates are just simply taking the bible literally. Jesus said that the day and hour are unknown, and gave us signs to look for so that day does not overcome us like a thief in the night.

As far as Dr. LaHaye goes, he also said that Rev 4:1 is the rapture of the church and that those that take the mark of the beast will be forgiven. Hmmm.

Sounds like he may be having a little trouble of his own distinguishing between literal and figurative.

...or is it fantasy and reality.

Accept the teachings of who you want, I personally will put my trust in teachers such as Jesus, Luke, Paul, John, Matthew Mark, Jude and James.
-------------
Scott
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
144,643
17,337
USA/Belize
✟1,738,279.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Mordacai said:
As far as Dr. LaHaye goes, he also said that Rev 4:1 is the rapture of the church and that those that take the mark of the beast will be forgiven. Hmmm.
Dr. LeHaye, from "Revelation Unveiled":

"But those who receive the Antichrist's markwill have made the final decisions for eternity to reject Christ and worship His arch enemy."


This lie: "he also said ...that those that take the mark of the beast will be forgiven."
is based on a perversion of a fictional event in a book of fiction. Chang, who already had the seal of God, is drugged unconscious and given the mark of the beast without his consent. In the rest of the series, it is VERY clear that those who take the mark are doomed.

I think someone else has a problem distinguishing reality from fiction!
 
Upvote 0

Mordacai

Member
Feb 29, 2004
14
0
Indiana
✟124.00
Faith
Christian
FreeinChrist said:
Dr. LeHaye, from "Revelation Unveiled":

"But those who receive the Antichrist's markwill have made the final decisions for eternity to reject Christ and worship His arch enemy."


This lie: "he also said ...that those that take the mark of the beast will be forgiven."
is based on a perversion of a fictional event in a book of fiction. Chang, who already had the seal of God, is drugged unconscious and given the mark of the beast without his consent. In the rest of the series, it is VERY clear that those who take the mark are doomed.

I think someone else has a problem distinguishing reality from fiction!

I stand corrected. Apparently I misunderstood the facts. I appologize for my error. Thanks for pointing this out for me, but it most likely won't be my last screw up.

I quit reading the series after "Appolyon". It was this series of novels that prompted me to question my belief in a pre-trib doctrine.
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
144,643
17,337
USA/Belize
✟1,738,279.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Apology accepted. I came to pretrib before I read the books that were out after 30 some years as a posttribber. Apollyon and the one right before were my least favorite.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Brooks

Member
Feb 27, 2004
15
0
✟125.00
Faith
Christian
Word of warning. Freeinchrist is into the book of Enoch I am told and its spiritism. He considers it one of the books of the Bible as the Word of God itself. Instead of there being 66 books of the Bible showing the number of man is 6 married to Satan whose number is 6, now Freeinchrist is presenting Satan (6) and perfection (7) as being married through spiritism and angels having sex with women an a book about physical war.
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
144,643
17,337
USA/Belize
✟1,738,279.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Brooks said:
Word of warning. Freeinchrist is into the book of Enoch I am told and its spiritism. He considers it one of the books of the Bible as the Word of God itself. Instead of there being 66 books of the Bible showing the number of man is 6 married to Satan whose number is 6, now Freeinchrist is presenting Satan (6) and perfection (7) as being married through spiritism and angels having sex with women an a book about physical war.
There is no reason for this....Troy Brooks....aka SeekingtheTruth...aka Neefan....aka Watchman Nee Reader...

Haven't you gotten yourself banned enough?
 
Upvote 0

Brooks

Member
Feb 27, 2004
15
0
✟125.00
Faith
Christian
This is what you hide about yourself only to reveal these hidden things latter, and we need to be careful who we are dealing with as you hide this about yourself or skirt around it by blaming me just now or try to misdirect attention off this matter from yourself. Always remember, that the Word of God is 66 books, not 67. You know what Rev. 22.18,19 says to those who like to add books to the Bible.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Laserman

Active Member
Feb 15, 2004
166
9
Florida
✟342.00
Faith
Christian
Hello All,

Since some, but not all the prophecy of Jesus about the tribulation mentioned here us fulfilled, it seems to me that 70 AD destruction of the temple was a type, a foreshadow of the final great tribulation before the 2nd coming. Would not the Holocaust of WW2 be more of a tribulation than the 70 AD Destruction of Israel? Surely so to me. If the great trib was 70 AD then how could that WW2 be worse and jive with Jesus's Words that the trib would worse than ever before or ever after? Unless, of cousre it was a foreshadow?

Barry :blush:
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

rollinTHUNDER

Veteran
Dec 30, 2001
1,936
13
Central Florida USA
Visit site
✟22,549.00
Country
United States
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
Laserman said:
Hello All,

Since some, but not all the prophecy of Jesus about the tribulation mentioned here us fulfilled, it seems to me that 70 AD destruction of the temple was a type, a foreshadow of the final great tribulation before the 2nd coming. Would not the Holocaust of WW2 be more of a tribulation than the 70 AD Destruction of Israel? Surely so to me. If the great trib was 70 AD then how could that WW2 be worse and jive with Jesus's Words that the trib would worse than ever before or ever after? Unless, of cousre it was a foreshadow?

Barry :blush:

Good point Barry. And we are still waiting for God to gather ALL nations against Israel, not just the Roman armies.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.