How old would we be in heaven?

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I don't really know the answer, but I remember reading a book which suggests that since Jesus died at age 33, and is now in heaven at that age, every Christian who dies no matter how old they are when they die will be in heaven and appear to be aged 33 as well.

Does this make sense to people? I would be glad to be 33 again!!!
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I suspect we would be what ever age we wanted to be. Maybe the point that has been made about being 33 does have merit.
I Jn 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
(KJV)

This could mean spiritual and physical.
 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rkbo:
I Jn 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
(KJV)

This could mean spiritual and physical.
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Hey, that's a great reference rkbo! Thanks! I agree, we will have similar bodies to Jesus.

 
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Jesus may have been 33 when he left here, but next time we see him, his hair will be white as wool. Maybe that's why he is also called Ancient of Days. He just didn't start existing when He was born of a virgin- Oh no, He came here to die, to be the Lamb of God for the whole world. We won't need a calendar anymore, so maybe we will just reach our peak......rollinTHUNDER
 
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To me this question would be similiar to asking how old adam was when he was created. My understanding was that we would be made perfect again, the same way Adam was when created. Jesus died at age 33 which is mid-life, which I would assume was the state that adam was created in. Kind of circular thinking I suppose. What do you think?

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Conclusion - This Answer Gives Me Peace
As I have pondered this question these past days (Mar. 20, 2004), I have come to an answer, and it is this. God will take that three year old child, or one month old or 80 years old and translate that saved soul and apply the "hurt" of the lake of fire during the Last Week of the Judgment Seat to remove any "dross." Then through "outer darkness" that follows, that has no fire about it, none whatsoever, which runs concurrently with and during the millennium, outside the light of reigning with Christ, the soul and spirit of that child will be made to be exactly what God wants him to be as a pillar in the New City. That is the answer. I just know it.

And how God does it is all up to Him (not up to us) in our resurrected bodies. God only states that He will do it and make us pillars, giving even a three year old the status of being a pillar in the New City by maturing that soul of that child unto sonship as if age is of no distinction, consideration, or consequence in the New City. There is not even marriage in the new city. My faith has been tested by this question and strengthened by this answer. So if we step back for moment, let us imagine how God might actually do this. He will let that child grow, mature, spiritually "age", and develop till he or she reaches that pinnacle of pillarship perfected for the new city. God needs no more than a thousand years to accomplish this.

That may entail the child aging in addition to maturing in a newly clothed spiritually body that does not change at all, yet the soul in that spiritual body does change unto perfection. The same goes for an eighty-year old in which God will remove any remnant of oldness. Those wise in years, age will have no bearing in a resurrected body, and it is as if that elderly person is young in spirit forever. How God does this confounds the mind.

In terms of the age of accountability, it does exist, for the consciousness of the child has not been reached yet. God is fair and just. God will even let some children go because He knew they would never come to Him. We should not even rule out this possibility since God has foreknowledge and is all-knowing and all-seeing. I believe His ways are so vast that this is about the best way to explain it in totality.
 
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TRB said:
As I have pondered this question these past days (Mar. 20, 2004), I have come to an answer, and it is this. God will take that three year old child, or one month old or 80 years old and translate that saved soul and apply the "hurt" of the lake of fire during the Last Week of the Judgment Seat to remove any "dross." Then through "outer darkness" that follows, that has no fire about it, none whatsoever, which runs concurrently with and during the millennium, outside the light of reigning with Christ, the soul and spirit of that child will be made to be exactly what God wants him to be as a pillar in the New City. That is the answer. I just know it.

And how God does it is all up to Him (not up to us) in our resurrected bodies. God only states that He will do it and make us pillars, giving even a three year old the status of being a pillar in the New City by maturing that soul of that child unto sonship as if age is of no distinction, consideration, or consequence in the New City. There is not even marriage in the new city. My faith has been tested by this question and strengthened by this answer. So if we step back for moment, let us imagine how God might actually do this. He will let that child grow, mature, spiritually "age", and develop till he or she reaches that pinnacle of pillarship perfected for the new city. God needs no more than a thousand years to accomplish this.

That may entail the child aging in addition to maturing in a newly clothed spiritually body that does not change at all, yet the soul in that spiritual body does change unto perfection. The same goes for an eighty-year old in which God will remove any remnant of oldness. Those wise in years, age will have no bearing in a resurrected body, and it is as if that elderly person is young in spirit forever. How God does this confounds the mind.

In terms of the age of accountability, it does exist, for the consciousness of the child has not been reached yet. God is fair and just. God will even let some children go because He knew they would never come to Him. We should not even rule out this possibility since God has foreknowledge and is all-knowing and all-seeing. I believe His ways are so vast that this is about the best way to explain it in totality.


I think you have some good ideas there TRB.

Now as to age of accountablity..... how about we remove the word "age" out of there and change it to "condition" or a similar idea? "Condition of accountability." The Bible does seem to teach that we are accountable according to the light of truth God has given us. Age may have something to do with it but you know I think that many adults are not ready to handle certain truths. You just don't tell 4 year old Virginian there is no Santa... its too much for her to handle and she is not old enough to be responsible for that level of truth. In the same way, many adults live in fantasy worlds somewhat due to hurts or wounds and it comforts them to live this way just like Virginia and Santa Claus. The truth is not always an easy thing for us to accept. Sometimes it is not pretty to our eyes or ears. We don't like to heaer the truth that we have a huge ugly wart on our nose. But it is still the truth. I do believe God considers all these things in his judgment. We are only accountable to the point of what we can handle. This is similar to the idea that God will not test us beyond what we can bear. The shining sun is delightful until it shows our faults you cannot see in the dark. And its heat can burn us up. Sometimes we need to retreat to the shades.... too much to handle. Our God is a onsuming fire.

Also, age is a measurement of time. Eternity is not endless or infinite time. It is timelessness. So I wonder how we could age without time?

However, I think it is quite possible that being bodily raised "life-giving Spirit" that we may be able to appear however we like. (1 Cor 15:45,49). We will be able to morphe so to speak (change our form). Indeed the word Transfiguration is metamorphisis in Greek.

Also, this question seems to be closely related to how we will "appear." What is beautiful in heaven is completely different than what is beautiful here. Did you know the world is actually black. Nothing has any color at all. Objects on earth REJECT color. A red barn is not actually red - it is reject red color and you see that reflection. That is why the Bible says this world is a shadow or reality. In heaven, the red barn will actually be red. We will be raised into glory. Jesus was pure white. White is a reflectin of all the colors combined. Black reflects no color. It rejects no colors but absorbs them all like a glutton and is like a greedy soul. Beauty is intimately tied to color and the reflection of color. That is why Jesus on the Mount was beautiful being pure white.

You won't notice anyone's wrinkles then. And we won't be communicating in words but by spirit. Children can do that. So can animals. Animals and children do not think in human words do they? But they do think.

Just some ideas.

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In my statement, the semantic term "age" is ok since I qualified it as "spiritually" aging (not real aging as we know it) in trying to relate the maturing of the spiritual condition. I kinda want to leave it in there to not jump hard from age to spiritual condition. I am using the phrase "spiritually age" as a line of communication between the age problem and "condition" if you know what I mean.

"Age of accountability" must have a condition of consciousness, and that consciousness is dependant on the age of the child's reaching self-consciousness (soul) and God-consciousness (spirit) and world-consciousness (body). That is not the same age for everyone, but certainly it does apply to all adults.

There is the conscience (not consciousness) of a man and their is God's conscience. While we do not have all God's mind, we have His Spirit if we are saved. If we are not saved we do not have His mind, but we still have our conscience which is not yet quickened with His life in our spirit. Just because someone is not ready to listen to something doesn't mean he still does not have the free-will to accept God's will, for all he needs to do is accept John 6.47 and believe and then God will give Him eternal life. This is a minimum requirement and this is so easy.

For anyone to be saved this is all they need to do. Therefore, this sets the age of accountability in everyone at a fairly young age. Eveyone is written in the book of life and are blotted out one by one when they die unsaved. At the age of accountability for me was about 8 years old lets say.

That resurrected body will be like Jesus Christ with shape and form. Eternity is not timelessness, but time filled. In eternity past time always existed but only for God was it timeless. For us in eternity future we are cognizant of time, even as God is, but it is forever beautiful and will be enjoyed every second forever, not timelessly but endlessly.

There is no morphing of self or our spiritual bodies, for they are a constant perfect image of God in spiritual bodily form just as we saw Christ's form even with His scar on the side in rememberance.

My thought on the colors thing is that whatever reflections there are in color terms is not of much siginficance because in the new city it will be a literal new city but it will be 1500 miles squared very large which I believe will be on mars with a new perspective of a new heaven after the millennium.

As for children and animals, there is no animals mentioned in the new earth, but communication itself will be just like it is now with the English language, just as Jesus spoke language at resurrection. It will be very spiritually spoken always saying beautiful things, never offending another ever. People will speak like angels always. that is why they are the resurrected for God has given these careful speakers of love and truth eternal life. Their spirits are full and complete with truth in God.

Outside the new city will be those with bodies of flesh and blood who will enter the new city to take from the tree of life to receive renewal (like stem cell technology)

Those in the new city will have spiritual bodies, and won't look any different than those with bodies of flesh and blood except that if one were to say poke them your fingers would go right through them, since their bodies are epheral not of flesh.

This is why those outside the new city will multiply and be fruitful bearing children in marriage. But in the new city there is no marriage, for such purpose is not sexual, but deeply spiritually connected with God and the Lamb and the center in prayer and worship.

God will love unto a thousand generations. He really doesn't say what will happen after this.

One can guess and I guess it will be venturing off into other solar systems and meeting new species and new civilizations. I really believe this is truly magnificent.





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Recently I've been reading a book called " The Three Worlds" by H.A. Baker.

It goes through the World before Christ, The World We Live In, and then The World to Come.
In the part of 'The World to Come' he tells of many peoples visions of Heaven, Paridise etc. Several different people saw the same things too etc...
but supposedly there are animals and children of different ages in heaven. One of the testemonies in the book is by a woman named Miss Marietta Davis who when she was dying went to heaven and saw "Infants Paradise" and was supposed to come back and tell people about it before the Lord would take her home. Very interesting. I would recomend reading this book.
 
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As Christians we want to feel good, and so we will like naturally by good feel stories, but the joy of the Lord is couched in the intracies of the Scriptures themselves.

And they say though the lamb and lion will be together in the millennium, the Word of God clearly has no mention of animals in the new earth.

Have you thought about the possibility that these individuals in this book are not saved and are being led by the evil spirit? Certain such a thought should be considered for emotional appealing.

It is to suggest there is an infant paradise yet the Word of God doesn't mention that. The Word of God says all saved souls will be resurrected and will live in the new city for eternity future.

This would mean that age is no longer a matter. How strange it would be if there was children who were children forever and aged people who were aged forever.

That makes no sense to me. Disatisfying to my spirit. That book doesn't interest me, as most don't because there are these kinds of inherent flaws in them.

It is just a commercial gimmick or personal deception
 
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We should want to read truthful books, that get us more excited about seeing Jesus, and heaven.
And they say though the lamb and lion will be together in the millennium, the Word of God clearly has no mention of animals in the new earth.
Wait...the new Earth is the Millenium.
Isaish 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den
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The book is not phoney like many of today's books about visions and etc... are. It's acctually an old book that belonged to my grandmother. I am aware that not everyone who says they are a christian and seen things, acctually are, and do. I'm cautious. But in this case I beleive these stories to be very true and accurate to God's word. There are a few things not mentioned in the Word of God, but they do not go against it. And acctually there were NO AGED. The infants were those that were never born or died young. And supposedly they grow etc... I think out of all the testemonies givin, and for them all seen some of the same thing it had to be of God. Remember what Joel 2:28&29 says
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit
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Songbird,

These verses you gave though refer to the millennial kingdom, not the new earth. The Jews had undertanding the millennium, but they had little understanding of the new earth, so most of their comments are about the millennium, not the new earth and new city.

That is my proof.

That is how you can really know lots of those visions are wrong on that basis. Unless you have any other interesting visions, if it doesn't match up with the Scriptures than you can not assume the vision is true and you can't answer all problems from the argument of silence that just because no animals are mentioned in the New Earth that that doesn't mean there isn't.

I would rather not make that assumption in such visions in that book you read.

Let us be more humbled and not go past the Word of God in our visions so that we have no assumptions.

Do you see how this line or way of thinking is healthier?

A true prophet will also no go beyond the Word of God in a vision. You will actually be able to confirm that vision so closely to the Word of God that you know it is a true vision.

I can not say the same about animals in the new earth and such.

We will come to a point where children will mature, animals will no longer be in the kingdom of God and it will be so spiritual praying and worshipping God a good part of the time in the New City.

It is as if to get closer to God is never fully reached even in the New City so that all one can do is pray to get closer as the angels do constantly.

This is about the greatest statement I have ever made, the greatest truth I have ever known, that of constant worship.
 
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