Originally posted by s0uljah
"If the source is bad, then it is a trick of Satan. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light"

Agreed, but acknowledging evil, means you have to admit good, correct? In other words, if Satan exists, then so does God.

I know what you mean, but personally, I think you're sidestepping what I just said. Just my observation. :sorry: I still think the statues could too easily become the focus. Seeing crying statues as a miracle from God is a nice thing to think about, and letting go of that thought would feel like a blow to you if it were not so.
 
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Thousands of witnesses, including those I perrsonally know, saw a statue cry when a certian priest, Father Bruse, would enter the room. Not only did one cry, but many cried, and even those that he were not even in his parish.

I would agree that statues are engraved images when they are used as some type of earthly sybolism of something religious or heavenly. This includes hanging crosses. Having crosses and statues in the place you worship is nothing more then idolatry. When you look at these crosses or statues and focus on these man made objects as being sybolic of Jesus death or heavenly things you are basically trying to put Jesus or heavenly things into an eathly man built object that you can feel and touch and look upon. When we do these things how is that much different than the childern of Isreal making a golden calf to worship so they could have something they could look upon. You say that when the PRIEST FATHER BRUSE came in the statues would cry. What purpose would that serve? You certainly dont see any statues crying in the bible. Oh yeah as a side note maybe these statues were crying because this FATHER BRUSE is being called a FATHER.

Matthew 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

There are no bibical miracles today. Once the word of God was fully revealed the purpose of Miracles ceased See 1Corth 13:8-10 also Eph 4:11-13 The purpose of the Mircles were to confirm the word they were speaking was from God.

Mark 16:20  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

1 Corinthians 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

This is just a brief summary of why biblical miracles are no longer here today. We have the miracles recorded in the bible that we can look at and understand how there isnt any way to explain them away. The miracles done in the bible were almost always something that was visable like a man withered hand being made whole. All the so called Miracles today are internal things being healed like headaches or tumors or cancer stuff that is not verified and that you cant visually see. I will say it again just because someone was diagnosed dead for 12 min doesnt prove anything. Docters make mistakes and equipment give the wrong readings from time to time. Sure under the libreal use of the word miracle one might say that this event was a miracle but it sure wasnt a bibical miracle. Take Lazerus for istance he was dead for like 4 days and he was smelling nice and ripe. Now when he was raised from the dead that was a biblical Miracle. Just as another side note we also do not have apostles(that is eyewitness of Jesus)today either. Nor do we have prophets today that is someone giving us new revelation. We have everything we need to know in the bible.
John 20:30  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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Wow, How can you say that someone dying and coming back to life is not a miracle? The Pharasees accused Jesus of doing the work of Satan. Now your are saying these are not miracles performed by God. By what authority are you speaking? How do you know the Holy Spirit Himself did not perform these miracles for a reason unknown to you? Just a reminder the Pharasees thought they knew what God's workings were too.
Originally posted by cougan
None of these things mentioned here are miracles. A miracle is something that goes against the law of nature. A miracle like the ones in the 1century were undeniable and were performed by people with the mircalus indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I have heard of people being thought dead for longer than 12 min that were non christians. You donot see people being raised from the dead after being dead for 4 days nor do your see someone with an obvious limb shrivled up or a blind person being miraclusly healed. Some fakes are done but nothing that can be back up. In fact I know of a person that offered 1million dollars if someone would allow them to see a mircle performed on an obvious case guess what he got to keep is million dollars. Mircles were used to confirm the word that was being taught in the 1st century to prove that what they were teaching was from God. When Gods word was fully revealed there was no more need for the miraculus. Seeing a reflection in window or some statue crying hardly qualifies for a miracle. Why do you think it was Jesus when ever you dont know what Jesus looks like.
 
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My son was born blind but was given sight because people prayed, and no medical intervention occurred! No mmiracle??? Hmmm! I KNOW it was God that did it, and it is beyond my natural ability to understand, so it was a miracle to me.

Then he reached down one day and SAVED me! ME! lol. You don't know what a miracle that was!

Then He gave me the love of the most beautiful of all women He ever created! One far above me in every way! no miracle there? lol! I suggest it is MORE than a miracle. It must qualify as a SUPER miracle, yes?
 
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Wow, How can you say that someone dying and coming back to life is not a miracle? The Pharasees accused Jesus of doing the work of Satan. Now your are saying these are not miracles performed by God. By what authority are you speaking? How do you know the Holy Spirit Himself did not perform these miracles for a reason unknown to you? Just a reminder the Pharasees thought they knew what God's workings were too.

You must be misunderstanding what I am stateing. I do not beleive this person was actually dead. I believe that either the equipment was faulty or the doctor didnt do a thorough examination. I have heard of may cases where people were diganosed dead because they couldnt feel there pulse or fell them breathing but yet they were still alive because there vitals were so low that it produced this effect. The Miracles in the bible could not be proved to be false.

Acts 4:16  Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.

You ask by what authority I make my statements. Well that easy I get my authority from Gods word. Thats all the authority I need. Just reread my other post and I gave you the purpose for miracles and scriptures that show that they would cease after Gods word had been fully revealed.

How about a singing goat? would that be one, deb

Show me the money. If you have singing goat that sings in human voice yes that would be a miracle. Please show me a video tape of it and I will beleive. If you have no proof which I know you do not then why wast your time posting ficticious accounts.

My son was born blind but was given sight because people prayed, and no medical intervention occurred! No mmiracle??? Hmmm! I KNOW it was God that did it, and it is beyond my natural ability to understand, so it was a miracle to me.

Then he reached down one day and SAVED me! ME! lol. You don't know what a miracle that was!

Then He gave me the love of the most beautiful of all women He ever created! One far above me in every way! no miracle there? lol! I suggest it is MORE than a miracle. It must qualify as a SUPER miracle, yes?

Your last 2 statements are not bibical miracles at all. Now your 1st one would be considered one if you baby was born blind and then someone prayed for him to see and INSTANTLY he saw. I doubt very seriously this happened. First of all what did your babys eyes look like before and after? How long did it take for him to start seeing? If it wasnt INSTANTLY it wasnt a bibcal miracle. Was your baby a premie or was it born close to the due date. Do you have a written statement from a docter telling you that you baby will never see. Just remeber this a bible miracle was istantly and didnt take days or weeks for it to happen. I dont want you to think that I dont believe in prayer and prayers being answered. I do belive that God will answers prayers in his providence. It will not be a bible miracle. If you belive that there are still biblical miracles today then you must also beleive that there are demon possesions today. You must also beleive that we still have apostles today and prophets and that the word still is being revealed in other words we still have continuing revelation today.
 
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Hi, I'm a newbie.
Where's all this animosity coming from? Did I miss something?

Cougan, you know why a miracle IS called a miracle? Because, like you said, it goes against the laws of nature. So others who did not experience the "miracle" it would be unbelievable, right? You said that you don't believe that amie was dead for 12 min...that it was the failure in part of the doctors or equipment? You're saying you don't believe in her "miracle". Is it because you didn't see it in person? How can you believe the miracles written in the Bible?

You wanna hear a big miracle? Satanic bands making millions of dollars off of believers and non-believers alike. Satanic sects luring people in by the millions into their crooked schemes. Satan does miracles too.

Sorry If i didn't get the names right...
 
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cougan, the Pharasees thought they had God all figured out too. You are making assumptions that you have absolutely no basis for. Were you there when amie died? If so, please tell me which doctor you were. If not please tell me where you got the information as to whether or not amie was actually dead or not. You are only trying to make yourself look smart and in the process will end up burying yourself. The Pharasees are now headed for hell because they thought they were smarter than God. You are making the very same mistake. So, for your own good, do not blaspheme the Holy Spirit any longer.
Now you know.
 
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Cougan, why don't you just leave them alone, if you want to argue about miracles start a thread in an appropriate forum.

The original poster didn't really ask for proof that miracles do not exist, the original poster wanted people to share their experiences.

God can do whatever he wants, many believe in divine intervention and miracles, so let them speak their tongue.

I myself have had a miracle or 2 come my way.
 
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Originally posted by Badfish
Cougan, why don't you just leave them alone, if you want to argue about miracles start a thread in an appropriate forum.
The original poster didn't really ask for proof that miracles do not exist, the original poster wanted people to share their experiences.
God can do whatever he wants, many believe in divine intervention and miracles, so let them speak their tongue.

I myself have had a miracle or 2 come my way.
Thank you for your assistance badfish. Some come along and try to prove how godly they are by putting everyone else down. I appreciate the injection of your opinion.
 
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Well Cougan, I am sorry that you neither know me nor my beliefs. I am more sorry though that you are teaching without a proper knowlege of your subject. From what source did you learn that ALL Biblical miracles were of an "instant" nature? This is a case where you are simply not rightly dividing at all.

Look at Mark 8:23-25:
"And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly."

This is one example of a "miracle" Jesus did that was NOT instant. But the Bible is full of miracles that was NOT instant. God did not even created all things instantly. He took SIX days. The Bible is filled with sories of the miracle workings of God that were NOT instant.

As for as my son is concerned read the account again. Yes, He was confirmed blind by a medical doctor. Do I have it in writing? In fact, I most likely do in his medical records. But do you require it in writing? It was a clear fact to be.

Now, how God performed this miracle of giving sight to my son is to me unimportant. I only know that where he once was blind, NOW HE CAN SEE. ANd I KNOW KNOW KNOW God did that, and this is not the work or the trick of the devil.

I pray that one day God will also give YOU your Spiritual sight so that you will cease to embarrass yourself and DISHONOR God by denying the awesome miracles He performs daily in our lives.

Since you are not well versed in God's written Word, I will tell you the Bible teaches that your next breath is in itself a miracle to the finite mind, especially if you are a Christian. In John 15:5 JESUS said: "...for without me ye can do nothing." Know what that word in the priginal language means? Nothing=N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!! Not even draw a single breath.

As far as demon possessions, Apostles and Prophets are concerned, why would I discuss with you three more areas in which you have no knowledge, when you do not even believe in Miracles? Oh My!!!

As for as the last two statements not being Biblical miracles, can you be so blind? Really? I refer to the miracle of the Cross, and the love of a woman, and you consider NEITHER to be a miracle? I am confused here for sure. How can you be a born again Christian and not believe in the miracle of the Cross?

As for as the love of a woman, I know even non-christians who believe in the (BIBLICAL) miracle of love.

And why do you need a singing goat? You say you believe in BIBLE miracles. What about a talking ***? (no reference to anyone in this forun, lol) Read about the talking *** in NUMBERS, Chapter 22. So how does a talking Goat top that?

Father, in the Sweet and precious Name of Jesus, who makes even this prayer possible, I pray as Elisha did for the young man in II Kings 6:17, that You would open the spiritual eyes of this person amd let them see the love and miracle working power he is surrounded with, for which I give You thanks and Praise and Glory forever. Amen.
 
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Some people from my church went on a week long mission trip to Haiti and, among other things, they visited a Haitian hospital. I don't know how much anyone knows about Haiti's culture, but there are no lukewarm believers there. Everyone is either involved in Voodoo (Haiti is the voodoo capital of the world) which is direct Satanic worship, or they are full-blown Christians. In one hopital room was a man whose lung had collapsed. He was very poor (as almost all Haitians are) and had no family, so he wasn't actually being treated at the hospital because he couldn't afford it. My friends talked to him and found out that he had been involved in voodoo but had felt a need to leave it and had run from his hometown. He also said that he had been put under a curse for leaving voodoo and that that was the reason his lung had collapsed. My friends prayed for and with him, and the next day he was already healing, without having had any medical treatment. What a miracle!
 
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Several posts on this thread reminded me of the fallowing episode involving Emile Zola's visit to Lourds in 1892. The French Novelist, who prided himself on his anticlericalism and atheism, was witness to one of the few miraculous cures certified by the Church. Marie Lemarchand was described by Zola as having"a case of Lupus which had preyed on the unhappy woman's nose and mouth.
The cartilage of the nose was almost eaten away, the mouth was drawn up all on one side by the swollen condition of the upper lip. The whole was a frightful distorted mass of matter and oozing blood".
The 18 year old was taken to the baths and came out completely healed, yet Zola told the director of the medical Bureau, "were i to see all of the sick at Lourdes cured, i would not believe in a miracle".
 
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Well I guess I have gotten under some peoples skin. Obviously you misunderstand my intentions. I am not trying to put anybody down in here. I am not trying to make people mad. Nor am I claiming that I have GOD all figured out as nobody has God all figured out. Nor am I claiming that God doesnt work in the background of lives today. I very sorry if am offending anyone with my comments, however I am proclaiming Gods word and what it speaks on the subject of bibical miralcles. I am merely shareing my view of what Gods word says. If you dont believe what I am saying thats fine thats your choice. I have a great love for every soul and I will proclaim Gods word as much as I can even if people dont agree with me because I am just planting seeds. By the way I have no problem changing my mind if I find an error with my view. I will not let pride get in my way. If some shows me a biblical miracle like that found in the 1st century then I will start preaching miracles from now on. No one seems to be able to produce any proof of these so called biblical miracles that happen today.

As far as Mark 8:23-25: goes this was still an instant miracle. Jesus spits on eyes an puts his hands on him and ask him if he can see. At this point the man could see outline of people because they looked like trees. Now there is not time delay here Jesus puts his hands back on his eyes then the man can see everything clearly. This procdure didnt take days or weeks it only took a min or so.

You can make false claims all you want that I dont know the word of GOD. I try my best to always back up what I am stateing with Gods word. I study the word of God every single day. Its easy to say something about someone its another thing to back it up.

As for as the last two statements not being Biblical miracles, can you be so blind? Really? I refer to the miracle of the Cross, and the love of a woman, and you consider NEITHER to be a miracle? I am confused here for sure. How can you be a born again Christian and not believe in the miracle of the Cross?

As for as the love of a woman, I know even non-christians who believe in the (BIBLICAL) miracle of love.

And why do you need a singing goat? You say you believe in BIBLE miracles. What about a talking ***? (no reference to anyone in this forun, lol) Read about the talking *** in NUMBERS, Chapter 22. So how does a talking Goat top that?

Of course I belive in the death burial and resurection of Jesus. This is not what you statement seemed to say. It seemed to say that you were saved in some miraculus way. And Im still not sure what you are specifically trying to state about the love of you woman.

What exactly is your point about Balaams Donkey. Yes it was a miracle but the thing about the goat was made by someone else. I just simply said it would like to see a video tape of this supposed singing goat.

You can try and down me and call me names all you want but that surely doesnt present proof of any bibical miracles today. I have not made comments on all that you have presented because it wasnt worth a response. If however you want me to I will. I realize that I cant take away your personal experince in what you thought was a biblcal miracle all I can do hope and pray that you will study the verses that I presented earlier and you will come to realize that the miraculus of the 1st century is no longer in effect today.

God bless everyone of you.
 
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