Katrina: God's Punishment?

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On the September 12 broadcast of the Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club, host Rev. Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of
America and a former Republican presidential candidate, linked Hurricane Katrina and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion:

ROBERTSON: [You know, it's just amazing, though, that people say the litmus test for [Supreme Court nominee John G.] Roberts [Jr.] is whether or not he supports the wholesale slaughter of unborn children. We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America. I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he used the term that those who do this, "the land will vomit you out." That -- you look at your -- you look at the book of Leviticus and see what it says there. And this author of this said, "well 'vomit out' means you are not able to defend yourself." But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way? And he goes down the list of the things that God says will cause a nation to lose its possession, and to be ! vomited out. And the amazing thing is, a judge has now got to say, "I will support the wholesale slaughter of innocent children" in order to get confirmed to the bench. And I am sure Judge Roberts is not going to say any such thing. But nevertheless, that's the litmus test that's being put on, the very thing that could danger our nation. And it's very interesting. Read the bible, read Leviticus, see what it says there.]

I would trust the biblical interpretations of an 8 year old child before those of Pat Robertson. In the world of theology, I would compare him (justly) to Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker and the other hack bible teachers that beg for money on TV. Francis Schaeffer, RC Sproul and John MacArthur say more in one sentence then this clown says in a lifetime. Pat, you're a snake oil salesman with really big funny ears.

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What do you say about this one ????





Katrina: interesting facts



1. Southern Decadence 2005, an annual Labor Day weekend homosexual celebration of debauchery was scheduled to begin this week in New Orleans with at least 100,000 perverts gathering there to commit unspeakable acts in public. Previous events were photographed and sent to the mayor and police officials but they did not care. They had their own lust: The $100,000,000 the event brings in. (Thanks to Jan Markell for this information.) Event postponed, hopefully indefinitely.



2. Gaza and Katrina. At the exact same time last week that 8,500 Gaza residents were being expelled from God's covenant land under unrelenting U.S. pressure, hurricane Katrina began churning in the Atlantic, targeting the U.S. Coincidence? I don't think so.



In Florida, 850,000 people were without power (8,500 X 100 = 850,000, a hundredfold).



In Mississippi, more than 850,000 were also reported without power, and about 8,500 people were in shelters. More damage in Louisiana.



Cause and effect, based on Genesis 12:3? Many insist yes. You be the judge.



More cause and effect…



3. Katrina in Hebrew. According to Rabbi Laser Brody, Katrina, written in Hebrew, has a numerical equivalent of 374. He says two relevant passages in Torah share the exact numerical equivalent of 374. One says, "They have done you evil" (Genesis. 50:17), and the other says "The sea upon land" (he says Exodus 14:15, but not in my Bible; maybe v. 16). Rabbi Brody says, "The former passage may be an indication as to the spiritual cause of Katrina, while the latter passage describes the physical manifestation."



Rabbi Brody also says, "Katrina is hitting just as the bulldozers are completing the destruction of Gush Katif. The Talmud teaches that Hashem administers the world according to the "ATFAT" principle, in other words, "a turn for a turn"…. My heart tells me that there's a link between the forced expulsion of 8500 people from their blood, sweat, and tear-soaked homes in Israeli Gaza and between the nearly 850,000 people who are forced to flee from their homes in Louisiana.



4. More birth pangs. Katrina is probably the greatest disaster ever to hit the United States. The human suffering and physical destruction are incomprehensible. This comes just eight months after the Asian tsunami, maybe the greatest disaster ever to hit the world since ancient asteroid strikes. Jan Markell calls it intensified birth pangs, that gradually intensifying end-time phenomena referred to in the Bible.



If there were eight months between these two birth-pang events, how many fewer months will there be before the next?



Katrina was apocalyptic. While a nuclear bomb would have cost more lives, Katrina probably did more structural damage than several nuclear bombs!



Nuclear bombs may be next on the agenda, according to some informed observers. There is evidence that they are already in the hands of the terrorists and hidden cells in the U.S. are just waiting for orders to use them. There may not be much time.



5. What it means. The return of the Lord Jesus Christ is near. There has never been a time when it is more important to be ready, obedient, faithful, and watchful.



"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words" (1 Thessalonians 4:17-18).



Be comforted!





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So, let me get this straight: certain estimates of numbers, some of which have been badly misreported by your source as they are not that consistent, coincidentally are said to be in a couple multiples of 10 by 85, there was a gay rights thing going on, plus slightly coincidental numerology. Ergo, God is mad?

I'm rather surprised that there are so few apocalyptic sounding coincidences involving Katrina and weird numerology.
 
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Hi all!

The way I see it, there are certain things that are simply beyond our ken, that are simply beyond our human ability to grasp & that we'll never be able to figure out :confused: :scratch: .

I look at Deuteronomy 29:28

"The secret things belong unto the Lord our God..."
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Psalm 131:1-2

Lord, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty; neither do I exercise myself in things too great, or in things too wonderful for me. Surely I have stilled and quieted my soul; like a weaned child with his mother; my soul is with me like a weaned child."
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Isaiah 55:9

For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts."
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and Job 38:2-4

Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now your loins like a man; for I will demand of you, and declare you unto Me. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have the understanding!

whenever I feel myself getting too big for my spiritual britches.

See also http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=308310 &
http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=308185.

That Katrina was the will of God ought to be obvious, why it was the will of God, or what His purpose was in effecting this hurricane, is waaay beyond our ken. I have seen radical Muslims assert that God was punishing the US for supporting Israel & fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know of two ptominent rabbis here in Israel who have asserted that God was punishing the US for supporting the Disengagement Plan. I have read where this or that fundamentalist Protestant minister in the US has asserted that God was punishing the US for homosexuality, drunkeness, gambling, younameit. None of them have a clue; none of them can have a clue. The question should not be why Katrina happened but what can we do to help the survivors & the victims, i.e. what good can we do now that it has happened?

Over a Shabbat/Sabbath lunch last year, I learned something neat. DW & I and our lunch guests were discussing the Jewish belief that there is no such thing as coincidences (i.e. nothing "just happens"). One of our guests pointed out to us that if you take the Hebrew word for "coincidence" & spell it backwards, you get "God has woven." Thus, she said, what may appear to us as coincidences are all part of God's plan. This jibes with what a Catholic friend of mine told me once. He said that if you look at a beautifully woven rug or needlepoint from underneath, all you'll see is a disjointed crisscrossed tangle without any pattern or harmony. God, he said is the Master Weaver, but all too often we, with our limited human perspective, manage to see only the crisscrossed tangle. We should never lack the faith that there is a pattern and that a/the Master Weaver is watching over it.

Regarding Katrina, the Chief Rabbinate here composed the following prayer:

Our Heavenly Father, Founder of the world and Creator of the universe, compassionate and merciful God, Please spare and show compassion to Your creatures and the world You have created, and especially the inhabitants of the states along the Gulf of Mexico in the United States. Save them from every calamity, from the winds of storm and hurricane, from the waters of the sea, and from every sorrow and evil, and send deliverance and redemption to all those who call upon Your Name. Save them from the floodwaters and rescue them from the abyss, lead them to a place of safety, and do not abandon them, and in Your abundant mercy send them redemption in the measure of their loss, and complete healing to the sick and those in pain, and comfort to their souls and spirit. May all the inhabitants of the Earth know and recognize that You are the Supreme King, Who rules the powers of the universe and shows mercy to His creatures, who praise Your great Name, amen.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/96y7f

Be well!

ssv :wave:
 
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Well, if it is God's punishment it's pretty pathetic. Most of the true debauchers are safely tucked away somewhere, and only the incidental people who live without much choice are greatly harmed. God is a miserable shot. God is like British Night Bombing in world war two. Only without the flak and fighters making his choices someone understandable.

People who see disasters as God's punishment are the same, to me, as people who collect Faces of Death videos.
 
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How does god punish the people who live nowhere near:

1- a see/ocean.

2- a mountain(s)

3- earthquake regions

Furthermore, why does god punish the Americans for what's happening in Israel. Why doesn't he punish the Muslims or Jews???? God also doesn't punish other countries for their abortion rates and Amsterdam hasn't been punished for it's gay festival either.

It's all jibberish by people who have enough imagination to become dungeonmasters.

Lucy
 
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I do not in anyway feel this hurricane is God's punishment. I don't believe God made this hurricane happen, but allowed it to happen. I don't feel as if the God I believe in is going to make 44 innocent elderly people drown in a nursing home because he is mad at the world, I believe people are too busy trying to figure out why this happened. All our efforts should be trying to help our brother in need, instead of trying to point fingers at the government, God, or whoever, for this tragedy happening.
 
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Gentileone said:
What do you say about this one ????





Katrina: interesting facts



1. Southern Decadence 2005, an annual Labor Day weekend homosexual celebration of debauchery was scheduled to begin this week in New Orleans with at least 100,000 perverts gathering there to commit unspeakable acts in public. Previous events were photographed and sent to the mayor and police officials but they did not care. They had their own lust: The $100,000,000 the event brings in. (Thanks to Jan Markell for this information.) Event postponed, hopefully indefinitely.
So when a church is struck by lightning is that also God punishing that church?



When a black church is fire bombed is that a sign that God is punishing black churches for the “unspeakable acts” that go in there?











It is also interesting to note that Louisiana also ended up freeing all their salves at the end of the civil war. And considering God’s approval of slavery I’m sure this would be one of your reasons as to why Louisiana is being “punished”



If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. Exodus 21:4-6



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11



However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46



If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. Exodus 21:2-6



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. Exodus 21:7-10



When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21



Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5



Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. 1 Timothy 6:1-2



The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. Luke 12:45-48





I think there is a better case that God is punishing Louisiana for freeing its slaves and its acceptance of civil rights than southern decadence. ;)
 
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Cassandra said:
I remember there being a number of Christians saying the Tsunami was "God's way of punishing". So I started to wonder if there are Christians who think the same thing about Katrina.

there's a fair amount of them, especially here at cf. they use this line of thinking whenever a disaster happens:

1. ___fundamentalist pet issue___ is bad
2. a ___disaster___ occurred in ___geographic region___
3. there are people who practice ___fundamentalist pet issue___ in ___geographic region___
4. therefore God is venging wrath on people in ___geographic region___ who practice ___fundamentalist pet issue___

examples:

1. homosexuality is bad
2. a hurricane occured in new orleans
3. there are gay people in new orleans
4. therefore God is venging wrath on the people of new orleans who are gay

1. not being a christian is bad
2. a tropical storm occured in southeast asia
3. there are muslims in southeast asia
4. therefore God is venging wrath on the southeast asian muslims

FSTDT said:
When did people stop believing in natural disasters?

when they realized they could use their religion to make things up in order to make themselves feel better.
 
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