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Pericles

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Originally posted by Kelier


Ok the first 2 weren't even Christians and Eusebius I have never heard of.
So, I don't think I'm going to take the words of 2 men who were not Christians, who did not report to see the return of Jesus Himself, and some guy I have never even heard of and apparently neither do the majority of all Christians, otherwise preterism would be the majority view, not the futurist one.

Wow...so let's see, you are asking for documentation, I provide you with documentation, you completely refuse to check it...and on top of that you never heard of Eusebius? I am sorry my friend, but our conversation is over. I will address someone else's concerns if there are any.
 
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Wow...so let's see, you are asking for documentation, I provide you with documentation, you completely refuse to check it...and on top of that you never heard of Eusebius? I am sorry my friend, but our conversation is over. I will address someone else's concerns if there are any.

How convenient. But hey whatever you wish. :)
 
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In response, I don't expect the world to end during my lifetime and honestly, it is not something I am looking foreward to. <BUT> I would not want to be caught unawares, when God decides that enough is enough.

As for the desolation, it is partly fufilled, but there is still a second part to it. The vision is not complete.
>We are told that 'when ye shall SEE Jerusalem compassed with armies, know that the desolation is nigh.' I am not so certain that this city has been surrounded by armies the last 2000 years, but it looks that way now. Besides, how could we <the world> see this event without the help of modern technology? The same goes for the two witnesses who are killed in the streets of Jerusalem, <for the world to see> and then rise three days later. My my my.

As for these words:
"these things must shortly come to pass,"

What do we know about time, when it was made by our own creator? A day is a thousand years, and a thousand years is a day unto God. So, just because <some> have become impatient for his return, it doesn't mean that he won't.
"as some count slackness."

Remember the opening of the first seal. Who was worthy to open the book? Jesus Christ. Who came forth but a white horse and a bow to conquer and go conquering? Was it the false prophet; That was the first sign we are to look for.

Many will come in my name and say, Lo here is Christ, or Lo he is there.

Follow the seals.

We have had wars, and famines, and disease But, the <sixth> seal, we have not encountered yet. The earthquake that is so great that it causes the entire earth to move out of it's place, and the sun to darken, has yet to happen.

And the desolation is still a future event, God help us all.
Wildfire
 
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Originally posted by Pericles


Wow...so let's see, you are asking for documentation, I provide you with documentation, you completely refuse to check it...and on top of that you never heard of Eusebius? I am sorry my friend, but our conversation is over. I will address someone else's concerns if there are any.

Kelier,

Peri can't give you BIBLICAL documentation, because none exists. Jesus' birth, death, resurrection and ascension were all scripturally documented AFTER THE FACT.
 
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Originally posted by Wildfire
We are told that 'when ye shall SEE Jerusalem compassed with armies, know that the desolation is nigh.' I am not so certain that this city has been surrounded by armies the last 2000 years, but it looks that way now. Besides, how could we &lt;the world&gt; see this event without the help of modern technology? The same goes for the two witnesses who are killed in the streets of Jerusalem, &lt;for the world to see&gt; and then rise three days later. My my my.

Wildfire,

Have you actually seen, with your own eyes, the city of Jerusalem surrounded by armies?

-A
 
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Originally posted by Kelier

otherwise preterism would be the majority view, not the futurist one.

What is your evidence that the futurist view is the majority view? And who are you counting for this statistic? Futurism wasn't even known until 150 or 200 years ago; I find it very hard to beleive it's spread that quickly. Before I started reading the Left Behind BB, I had always taken it for granted that everyone read Revelation as symbolic of historical persecution of Christians. I had never even heard of a futurist viewpoint.

-Chris
 
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Originally posted by Kelier


How convenient. But hey whatever you wish. :)

What do you want? He provided three sources, you can't just dismiss them all because you've never heard of the authors or because they're not Christian. Do you disallow all secular sources of information?

-Chris
 
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What is your evidence that the futurist view is the majority view? And who are you counting for this statistic? Futurism wasn't even known until 150 or 200 years ago; I find it very hard to beleive it's spread that quickly. Before I started reading the Left Behind BB, I had always taken it for granted that everyone read Revelation as symbolic of historical persecution of Christians. I had never even heard of a futurist viewpoint.

-Chris

I could very easily say the same thing. I have never heard of preterism until about a year or so ago.
 
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What do you want? He provided three sources, you can't just dismiss them all because you've never heard of the authors or because they're not Christian. Do you disallow all secular sources of information?

-Chris

I am not in the habit of using secular resources to study the Word of God and doing so would be utterly foolish.
 
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Originally posted by Kelier
Did Eusebius document Jesus' return? Did he see it with his own eyes? Was he a Christian?

Pericles, you have provided NO documentation, only names.

Eusebius was a Christian, and a church father, one of the most well known names in the history of the Church...you only get about 30,000 (LITERALLY) results when you search for him on Google. It is very unfortunate that you never heard of his name. I gave you names and writings that you can read for yourself if you are truly interested in the truth, which clearly you appear not to be. I could post several hundred pages of historical writings to satisfy your whim, but it is very clear that you don't care about evidence...you just want to argue. Pickup the books that I suggested and read them...maybe after that we can talk more.
 
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Originally posted by Wildfire
Hi Armothe, I believe we are currently watching it form together, yes.

Perhaps you are watching CNN or something, but FoxNews (what I watch) or other major networks are not showing pictures of physical armies surrounding and laying seige to Jerusalem.

-A

Oh, and if you do see this, then why aren't you fleeing to the mountains like Christ instructed?
 
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