spiritual science

dad · Sep 2, 2005

Caphi said:
Caphi said:

You claimed that there was no death or decay at all in the merged Universe, dad. You held this position so strongly that you even asserted that rocks were of different composition in the merged Universe. Nice try.

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This is correct! But, as for the death brought to men and all life by sin, this changed things, in theis still merged universe, for us, and all creatures.

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econdly, even if we allow your new argument about apples to go through, it still only applies to humans.

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??? What apples?

There is still no reason that fossils dating back to before the date you have pegged your Split should exist at all, yet they do!

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All life started to die at the fall. Of course the world was full of fossils! I can't begin to fathom your point here.

Kindly respond to both these points without using the following words: evo, bend, box, dreams.

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Done.

Douglaangu v2.0 · Sep 2, 2005

That the sons of God

Are you a 'son of God'?

Was Jesus?

dad · Sep 2, 2005

theFijian said:
Didn't you see the water on that map? That was from the great flood! You believe in old-earth evo fairytales too!

No, sorry, granny, the speck, and your new middle earth as literal belief, are your own!

dad · Sep 2, 2005

Douglaangu v2.0 said:
[/b][/color]Are you a 'son of God'?

Was Jesus?

When you look into it, you will see that one of the main interpretations of these verses is that spiritual beings slept with women. Just the way it is.

dad · Sep 2, 2005

AirPo said:
dad said:

There is no need to refute it, only point out what it actually is. You made up the topic of this thread. It's a fairy tale that you made up. There is nothing to refute because there is no point being made. You're telling a story about something that isn't real

Science is not a living, thinking being. So whatever it is you are talking about, it is not science.

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Not in any way. The spiritual is real, and unrefutable! The best explanation for scientific evidence, and the bible I can see, as of the time being, is the seperation of the spiritual from the physical at a certain point, and it's merging again one day. This isn't made up.

No one ever claimed you can. I have seen flowers and grass grow in a few days though. And they are plants. You made a point about plants then switched to trees when I refuted your point. That is playing with words.

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No, you are playing with the point. The point is that God planted a garden, and made plants on the third day, I think it was, and then made man and beast on the sixth day, that had to eat, and the trees and all were already there ready to eat.

The bible only supports faith, which is belief without evidence.
Hence, an unsupported assertion.

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The bible supports a lot of things. PO past faith isn't one of them!

Genesis, as a historical account, is too literal.

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No, it's great, wonderful, and just right.

Only if you understand what is being taught.

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And you should talk.

Worldwide flood, falsified. In other words, proven incorrect.

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Absolutely false!!!!!! It was subjected to a set of PO past assumptions, and it was seen to not, of course measure up to this past that never was. Thank God.

No, I'm refuting your claim that starlight doesn't reach the earth post split.

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I don't claim starlight doesn't reach us. That is ridiculous.

You are just making this up. Light, "reaching us in hardly any time at all," is just a story.

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No, just as spirits can travel as fast as a thought, and God can travel the whole span of the universe fast as He likes, etc. Sprotual light was, of course, not limited by the physical!

theFijian · Sep 3, 2005

dad said:
No, sorry, granny, the speck, and your new middle earth as literal belief, are your own!

ha! Lets see you disprove it, can you?!! Tolkein says it exists and you can't do anything to say it doesn't! You lose!

dad · Sep 3, 2005

theFijian said:
ha! Lets see you disprove it, can you?!! Tolkein says it exists and you can't do anything to say it doesn't! You lose!

Sorry you have a little trouble with reality. Tolkein never claimed the story, of course was real. He was also a christian, I believe. So, actually, what we have is a man who believed in Jesus, not that his sci fi book was real and literal. So Tolkein didn't say anything of the kind! I win.

theFijian · Sep 3, 2005

dad said:
Sorry you have a little trouble with reality. Tolkein never claimed the story, of course was real. He was also a christian, I believe. So, actually, what we have is a man who believed in Jesus, not that his sci fi book was real and literal. So Tolkein didn't say anything of the kind! I win.

What were all those books then! You still haven't disproved it!

dad · Sep 3, 2005

theFijian said:
What were all those books then! You still haven't disproved it!

Try reading a bio, or watch something on tv about him sometime if you can't concentrate. The books were sci fi. You really should be able to tell the dif! No wonder so many floks swallow this evo stuff, it doesn't take much apparently to make a believer out of you?

Caphi · Sep 3, 2005

Try reading a bio, or watch something on tv about him sometime if you can't concentrate. The books were sci fi. You really should be able to tell the dif! No wonder so many floks swallow this evo stuff, it doesn't take much apparently to make a believer out of you?

Really? Middle Earth and Tolkien's works have as much proof behind them as the Bible! If you uphold one as true, you must uphold the other, or discard your old-age atolkienistic beliefs in a world without beauty and magic which never existed!

<i forgot to put on my GDH, didn't I? Well, I just did, so there.>

Caphi · Sep 3, 2005

dad said:
This is correct! [...] Done.

So now you claim that ALL life started dying after the Fall? But I thought that there's no death or decay at all in the merged Universe! You've said that there was NO decay several times. You even made up several new properties defending the idea that there was no radioactive decay in the merged Universe. You simply can't say that things did die during the Merge. If you allow for a gradual introduction to decay, Nathan Poe's argument suddenly pops up at you again and you have to admit that the Universe is several billion years old. Nice try.

Numenor · Sep 3, 2005

dad said:
Sorry you have a little trouble with reality.

The word 'ironic' obviously means nothing to dad. he has no po evidence for his ramblings, nor biblical evidence, yet he keeps polluting the ether with his delusions.

dad · Sep 3, 2005

Caphi said:
So now you claim that ALL life started dying after the Fall? But I thought that there's no death or decay at all in the merged Universe! You've said that there was NO decay several times. You even made up several new properties defending the idea that there was no radioactive decay in the merged Universe. You simply can't say that things did die during the Merge. If you allow for a gradual introduction to decay, Nathan Poe's argument suddenly pops up at you again and you have to admit that the Universe is several billion years old. Nice try.

Yes I claim just that. I have always understood that the eating of the forbidden fruit brought death into the world, and that Adam started dying soon as he ate it. Nothing new here. Before the fall, I would say there was no death and decay. After it, at least man and beast were decaying, albeit, at a much slower rate than today.
So, the eating of the fruit wasn't gradual, but preety quick. The split also, I believe was pretty quick.
But in case you still don't have it real clear, the split/merge has no PO decay (other than man and beast) until after the split in Peleg's day, as it stands.

Caphi · Sep 3, 2005

Yes I claim just that. I have always understood that the eating of the forbidden fruit brought death into the world, and that Adam started dying soon as he ate it. Nothing new here. Before the fall, I would say there was no death and decay. After it, at least man and beast were decaying, albeit, at a much slower rate than today.
So, the eating of the fruit wasn't gradual, but preety quick. The split also, I believe was pretty quick.
But in case you still don't have it real clear, the split/merge has no PO decay (other than man and beast) until after the split in Peleg's day, as it stands.

That's quite a turnaround, considering all the effort you've put in trying to back up your claim that there was no death or decay of any sort in the Merge.

dad · Sep 3, 2005

Caphi said:
That's quite a turnaround, considering all the effort you've put in trying to back up your claim that there was no death or decay of any sort in the Merge.

Actually, it was what I have said all along, and thought. No turning really at all.
Perhaps when refering to a merged world with no death and decay, sometimes, I may have been refering to the pre fall merged world, when even the creatures may have lived forever in the garden. Such as when discussing the cambrian age, and how suddenly a lot of things died, etc. Or talking about the future merge, where man and beast will not be mortal. Anything else is a misunderstanding.

Caphi · Sep 3, 2005

Is that why you spend several pages worth of posts frantically defending the claim that there was no radioactive decay in the Merge?

Nathan Poe · Sep 3, 2005

Caphi said:
Is that why you spend several pages worth of posts frantically defending the claim that there was no radioactive decay in the Merge?

AND ignoring the consequences of such a claim?

dad · Sep 3, 2005

Caphi said:
Is that why you spend several pages worth of posts frantically defending the claim that there was no radioactive decay in the Merge?

What does radioactive decay have to do with people dying? I usually think of rocks, and the planet, and the stars, etc, when we talk about radioactive decay?

dad · Sep 3, 2005

Nathan Poe said:
AND ignoring the consequences of such a claim?

The concequences are that all old age dating is hopelessly skewed!

Nathan Poe · Sep 4, 2005

dad said:
The concequences are that all old age dating is hopelessly skewed!

You're absolutely correct. Since the radioactive decay began at the Split, and not when the materials were first formed (as PO scientists thought), then the ages in question are even older!

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