"Debating" with creationists could propel me int athiesm.

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Although I cannot imagnie totally renouncing any believe in a God, debating with creationists is really making me reconsider Christianity.

The universe is probably more then the sum of its parts, so I can not see the point becomming totally athiest. Maybe I am more of a panthiest or diest when it comes right down to it.

Science, such as evolutionary theory, has never for a second ever made me feel like turning from Christianity. But after listening to these creationists, and right-winged evangelical zealots, I am starting to wonder if I should reconsider Christianity all together.

Good going guys.
 

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Well, since their argument that "creationism" = "Christianity" is bogus, I see no reason to take such a drastic step. Err.. other than the creapy feeling of unreality one gets associating with chronic liars.

This is a good time to recall the advice of Augustine of Hippo, Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim) gave to Christians trying to interpret Scripture in the light of scientific knowledge. This translation is by J. H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. {Augustine here has refered to 1 Timothy 1.7}
 
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Late_Cretaceous said:
Although I cannot imagnie totally renouncing any believe in a God, debating with creationists is really making me reconsider Christianity.

The universe is probably more then the sum of its parts, so I can not see the point becomming totally athiest. Maybe I am more of a panthiest or diest when it comes right down to it.

Science, such as evolutionary theory, has never for a second ever made me feel like turning from Christianity. But after listening to these creationists, and right-winged evangelical zealots, I am starting to wonder if I should reconsider Christianity all together.

Good going guys.
Well that is ridiculous, unfair, and you know it. It is silly to say that one group who is simply sharing their point of view is totally turning you off to Christianity. This is not an apologetics forum where Christians are forcing their religious/spiritual views down your throat. You are welcome to your opinion. But if you REALLY want to know about Christianity, apart from all the debates on evolution, etc., please visit this website. You will find what Christianity is all about without the arguments, debates, etc.
 
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Late_Cretaceous said:
Although I cannot imagnie totally renouncing any believe in a God, debating with creationists is really making me reconsider Christianity.

The universe is probably more then the sum of its parts, so I can not see the point becomming totally athiest. Maybe I am more of a panthiest or diest when it comes right down to it.

Science, such as evolutionary theory, has never for a second ever made me feel like turning from Christianity. But after listening to these creationists, and right-winged evangelical zealots, I am starting to wonder if I should reconsider Christianity all together.

Good going guys.
is christianity all about ppls views to you? or is it about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and how that has changed your life? I'm a young earth creationist but that isn't the basis for my faith. According to some old testiment theologists, genesis is a poem describing the culture at that time, and it makes the point that God created everything, every other religion at that time had many gods creating different things. if God created the universe from the big bang and then we evolved, that won't change what i believe, because Jesus dying for my sins is what makes me a Christian, not whether He made us in 6 days or 20 billion years. As a brother in Christ i encourage you to pray about it, and ask God what is important for you to know (i bet a lot of non believers just chuckled reading that line).
 
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philadiddle said:
(i bet a lot of non believers just chuckled reading that line).

Actually, I thought that was rather a good post, and would have repped you for it if you had it turned on. While I don't agree with your beliefs, I know how important they are, and I wouldn't want LC to reject his for the wrong reasons. Though only he knows if his reasons are good, ultimately.
 
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Late_Cretaceous, I know how you feel. However, I would not suggest that you let creationists get you down (they have done so for me at times). I for one almost feel ashamed to be a Christian as the evangelical creationists continue to steadily erode the foundations of Christianity itself with their attempts to marry bad science with the word of God. At times like these, I would suggest you try and take a break from posting, if only for awhile. Disconnect yourself with the creationists, and empty your mind of their falsehoods and inane babble. You will feel better in time.

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Late_Cretaceous said:
Although I cannot imagnie totally renouncing any believe in a God, debating with creationists is really making me reconsider Christianity.
Debates like that make me seriously reconsider whether it was a good idea to wake up in the morning. Also, Europe is starting to look better and better.

Science, such as evolutionary theory, has never for a second ever made me feel like turning from Christianity. But after listening to these creationists, and right-winged evangelical zealots, I am starting to wonder if I should reconsider Christianity all together.
Yeah, I can see that. That was never a really big turn-on when I was a Christian either. Just think things through and go with whatever's good for you. Stay strong.
 
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Late Cretaceous said:
Science, such as evolutionary theory, has never for a second ever made me feel like turning from Christianity. But after listening to these creationists, and right-winged evangelical zealots, I am starting to wonder if I should reconsider Christianity all together.

This is exactly how I feel. I'm glad there's people out there like me.
 
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Late_Cretaceous said:
Although I cannot imagnie totally renouncing any believe in a God, debating with creationists is really making me reconsider Christianity.

The universe is probably more then the sum of its parts, so I can not see the point becomming totally athiest. Maybe I am more of a panthiest or diest when it comes right down to it.

Science, such as evolutionary theory, has never for a second ever made me feel like turning from Christianity. But after listening to these creationists, and right-winged evangelical zealots, I am starting to wonder if I should reconsider Christianity all together.

Good going guys.
What is it exactly about creationists that makes you want to reconsider Christianity?

If it's because you don't want to associate with pathological liars then you should realise (although I'm sure you do) that creationists do not represent Christianity.

Look at people like lucaspa, Talcos, raphael, troodon, notto and the other Christians who post here (or used to post here). I think they represent (but not more than Jesus) what Christianity should be about (forget the fact they all accept evolution - it's a coincidence :p ).

Well I hope you don't leave Christianity due to creationists :cry:

PS. I have felt exactly the same way as you do, and sometimes still do, so you are not alone.
 
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The universe is probably more then the sum of its parts, so I can not see the point becomming totally athiest. Maybe I am more of a panthiest or diest when it comes right down to it.

I was in the same situation as you at one time, if you would like to talk, PM me.
 
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The exercise of value judgements is perhaps the most important in scientific inquiry. Value judgements are the directional pivots from which we manifest both conjectures and those inferences which appear the most implicit and yet it is intrinsically responsible for every instance of direction and misdirection in scientifiic research.

Perhaps such a deduction of epistemic accuracy (let alone truth) from a statistical observation (especially on this board) needs revision?

Truth is does not bear on statistical significance observations.

-Chris Grose
 
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Late_Cretaceous said:
Although I cannot imagnie totally renouncing any believe in a God, debating with creationists is really making me reconsider Christianity.

The universe is probably more then the sum of its parts, so I can not see the point becomming totally athiest. Maybe I am more of a panthiest or diest when it comes right down to it.

Science, such as evolutionary theory, has never for a second ever made me feel like turning from Christianity. But after listening to these creationists, and right-winged evangelical zealots, I am starting to wonder if I should reconsider Christianity all together.

Good going guys.

Although I don't share your christian views, I sympathize with your plight. However, you shouldn't abandon your faith based on some crazy people who think they're practicing a science, and who in no way represent the christian majority view for most who posted.

Best of luck in whatever decision you make.
 
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