Does God punish us for our sins?

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soulsisterclaire

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Originally posted by Fallen


Maybe you should have just used a condom :idea:

Uncalled for sarcasm...If you wanted to judge me...then you should have just said...

"maybe you shouldn't have sex before marriage"...

By the way...it wasn't some one night stand...I have been dating this man for 9 years.

And I am GLAD that I didn't use condom, or rather he didn't...

I wouldn't have my beautiful ZOE! :p
 
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Hi SS:

A very interesting conversation going on here.

Do you mind if I make a couple of comments ?

God is the one who opens or closes the womb of a woman. Whether in marriage or outside of marriage. I could give you all the scriptural references, but I don't believe that that is necessary at this point.

Jesus Christ dying on the cross was the end of the curse of the law. Thus, your children are blessings unto God and unto you as well.

God does not encourage people having sex outside of marriage, but what God is very much against, is adultery. Now that does not mean that God is not against fornication, but most people do not understand this word "fornication" from within the Word to begin with. Your explanation of your relationship with this person is not fornication, according to what you have shared, and if he was never married during this relationship , it was not adultery either.

Having sexual relations outside of marriage is not loving God with all of your heart, soul, mind or strength either. But remember, that God is a God that looks at the heart. And only you know what was in your heart during those nine years, and only look at your daughter as a blessing in your life, as well as a blessing unto God. Bring your children up in the nurture of the Lord.

One verse for a blessing unto you - look at the children in this verse (by the one who is a believer) >

I Corinthians 7:14 - "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband : else were your children unclean ; but now are they holy"

I will call this part one

Your brother IN Christ - Hervey
 
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Claire, Your child is a blessing from God, not a result of your sin. WHat a stigma to place on an innocent child!!!
JUst because you don't have a husband now, & just because your child has no active father now, doesnt mean that God isnt going to provide such for you both in the future!!! God has many blessings to bestow on you both!!!
I'm sorry I can't remember the verse, but scripture says that God does not "remember our sins", of those we have repented. Therefore, how can we be corrected of a sin for which we have repented? God is not a liar, & has promised to not remember sins we have repented of.
Another verse is 1 John1:9-" If we confess our sins, he is faithful & just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
If He has cleansed us & forgiven us, Then He isn't going to rebuke or correct a cleansed person because that sin is not remembered.
 
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Claire,

Your Daddy God child-trains you in love for your own good and spiritual development. And you live to learn from it. The word chasten literally means child train in the Greek.

In the OC there was child-training as well as punishment, the latter also cos that was the law system -- do good get good, do bad get beat.

But we are under the NC of grace now. God does not punish his children for their sins since Christ was punished on our behalf. Lawyers will tell you that the same sin cannot be punished twice.
The cause is the devil not God. Of course, when we stray from God, we become open targets for the devil (he steals, kills and destroys).

When I say punish, I mean God does not punish with sickness, accidents or death. Do you burn the fingers of you child becos she disobeyed you and played with fire? Do you put cancer in her throat becos she screamed in defiance? So how dare we think that of Abba Father!

Also, punish is different from child-training. eg when a man beats another man, he can get arrested, jailed and canned for it. Now you dont call that child-training, do you? So God does not give us such punishment when we sin. But he child-trains us.

When God corrects, he corrects with his Word thru our spirit (read Hebrews 12) and we live to learn from it and grow from it. we dont die from it! It is always in the context of love and for our own good. God has our best interest at heart and knows how to do it better than earthly fathers (Heb 12). Paul says that this is one way He shows us that we are legitimate children. If God does not child-train you, something is wrong!

btw: I urge you to get this lodged deep into your heart!!!:

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

hope this sets you free.
 
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Originally posted by soulsisterclaire


Uncalled for sarcasm...If you wanted to judge me...then you should have just said...

"maybe you shouldn't have sex before marriage"...

By the way...it wasn't some one night stand...I have been dating this man for 9 years.

And I am GLAD that I didn't use condom, or rather he didn't...

I wouldn't have my beautiful ZOE! :p

I of all people am not Judging anybody. I am just stating the fact that if you have unprotected sex how can you NOT expect to have a baby ???.
 
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Originally posted by Fallen


I of all people am not Judging anybody. I am just stating the fact that if you have unprotected sex how can you NOT expect to have a baby ???.

Well, I had unprotected sex for quite some time before I got pregnant. And to tell you the truth, I kinda think I wanted another baby subconciously. Not to trap the father, we were on the verge of breaking up anyway. I did really love him a lot for most of those 9 years though. He has a bad drug problem(crack)He is not around now, and that is okay with me most of the time.

What you stated is so obvious that I can not help but think you are judging me and being sarcastic. Of course I know all about how to and not to get pregnant, why assume otherwise. I am 34 and I already have a 12 yr. old.

It just seemed rather mean for you to state the obvious, plus it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and does not help me with my walk with God, but further condemns me. So please, leave your subject out of this post. :(

Thank you.
 
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Andrew, Debbie and Hervey:

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR KIND WORDS!

I shall pray that God blesses each of you for your ministering to me on this subject. And thank you so much for your kindness and non-judgmental attitude. Each of your words touched my spirit and give me new hope for my family's future.

I do see Zoe and Jasmine as blessings, please know that I do not attach any stigma to them, and I do not talk bad about their fathers. They do have a great father figure in their grandpa(my dad) he is great with both of them and he and my mom live just up the hill from us, so they are always close by.

My children are my life. Everything that I do, every decision I make is in their best interest. I have nothing but love in my heart for my children. I do not resent them and I am a good mother, I have a great job, and lots of support from family and friends. I educate myself on all aspects of parenting in a Christian manner so that I can be the best mother that God would want me to be. My daughter Jasmine accepted Christ as her Lord and Savior at age 10 and she continually seeks to know Him better. Pray that I can raise little Zoe in the same Godly manner.

Again, thank you all. :wave:

God gets all the Glory for this one! :clap:
 
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Part two:

All unrighteousness is sin, and it is unrighteous to have sexual relations outside of marriage. That is because God has clearly told us to get married first. We are to cleave unto our wife or our husband. This is clear from within the scriptures , and needs no defence.

God is a God of being decent and in order. There is "always" a consequence when going against the righteousness of God. Gentiles did not know, so Paul had to tell them , and explain to them the way in which they would recognize sin.

Christians receive all of their rewards up front. What happens next, is that they will loose some of them throughout their lives. Suffering loss is recorded in I Corinthians 3:15 and in Galatians 6:7 - 10. Reaping corruption, is a figure of speech. What it means is this -- You have your rewards up front, and the only way in which to loose any of them, is to walk by the flesh, and sow to the flesh, corruption reaps corruption. Thus, our rewards become corrupted, and the one's we loose go back to God.

If we soweth to the Spirit, we reap life everlasting . This is a poor translation. We can not soweth to the Spirit and reap life everlasting. We reap (rewards) in (our) life everlasting. The translators left out the word "in". It should read like this ----- "If we soweth to the Spirit, we reap in life everlasting "

So just remember, there are consequences for our walking in unrighteousness.

There are also a reaping of rewards in walking in righteousness.

Love IN Christ - Hervey
 
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Originally posted by lambslove


Your baby is the consequence of your sin, but like the Bible says, God can make everything turn out for the good, according to his purposes, for those who love him, for those who are The Called. This seems to be the case with you.

I wouldn't give another thought to punishment if I were you! :)

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Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Job 4:8
Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.

Hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye *******s, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
 
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Dear Soulsisterclair;

The wages of sin is Christ death and resurection, not "Sorrow" or "Asking" to be forgiven of sins already forgiven. (Romans 6:23) :rolleyes:

You asked .....

1. "Don't I still reap what I sow"?

Answer ..... Of course! (Galatians 6:7) 

2. "Didn't God punish me"? :cry:

Answer ..... Your chastizement was in your choice of hardship, but your blessing came by being made strong through weakness when you said "I realize my downfall, and am working on it." (2 Corinthians 12:9)

3. As far as your "Backsliding" guilt trip goes that is for the Nation of Israel (Jeremiah 3:6,8,14) who will return futureistically. (Romans 11:25-27) We may stray away from fellowship but we remain eternally Spirit sealed. (Ephesians 1:13/ 4:30)
 
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God does punish us for our sins, but not the way most people think. It is described in romans 1 and 2. When we sin the direct result is that we are seperated from God and are dead. God punishes us by saying, Okay, have your own way and see where it takes you.
 
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I agree with Louis' point. I don't believe that God "punishes" us for sinning in the literal sense. By that I mean when we sin, I don't think He's sitting up in heaven deciding whether to take away our house or have us break an arm or something. I feel that when we sin, we have to live with the consequences, whatever they may be, of that sin. That I feel, is Gods punishment, making us live with the consequences of our action.
 
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just because we have Christ does not mean that we will not suffer consequences.  i believe that through Christ, we are set free from the clutches of sin...so we don't have to struggle "to be good"  obviously, if a Christian goes and does drugs, it's gonna hurt his body.  it's just a consequence of doing drugs.  however, we are free from eternity in hell.

God doesn't punish us to be mean.  but He allows hardships so that we will get back on the right path, and follow him.  it helps us realize that we cannot live without Him.
 
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Originally posted by lambslove

Your baby is the consequence of your sin, but like the Bible says, God can make everything turn out for the good, according to his purposes, for those who love him, for those who are The Called.

I realize that this sentence is softened in its context, but just reading it made me cringe.  I would hate place a curse on a child through this kind of language.  The baby is the natural consequence of love making.  The punishment is not the baby!  I hope I NEVER hear a baby referred to as punishment for sin from the mouth of Christian ever again.
 
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