Is assassination a new Family Value?

Err... what is there to explain?
There is the world and there is Christian faith.
The world holds no rule over Christians other than what has been allowed and the Christian believer is subject and responsible to the Body as a member of the Body.

I don't see many exalting the misplaced commentary of Mr. Robertson and denouncing of what was said has been done all around. The rattling of the saber from the world to do more than what has already been done or to paint it as if it were equal to a strawman is not impressive to me and as such is disregarded as trying to be divisive beyond what is called for.

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So kind of like the "Never do business against the family" mentality?

ChristianCenturion said:

I don't see many exalting the misplaced commentary of Mr. Robertson and denouncing of what was said has been done all around. The rattling of the saber from the world to do more than what has already been done

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Personally I think his FCC license should be revoked, or at the very least he should be fined.

Vastavus said:

I don't think they are saying "AT LEAST I AM NOT AS BAD AS THAT ONE OVER THERE" as you think.

What they are saying is more along the lines of "I am not perfect by any means, but I can still see how stupid and amoral of a comment that was."

Pat Robertson and his supporters should stand back and think about how they can say to their brothers: 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in their own.

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I'm not a supporter of Mr. Robertson, I know little about him. I however do not have that burden of Mr. Robertson's "plank" as you put it. As long as 'anyone' can claim to be Christian and as long as even a Christian can stumble, this premise that perfection is THE qualification not only negates the need for a Savior, but it is also not reflected in Christian teaching.

Bad statement made, denouncement of statement made by others, clarification from Mr. Robertson given (acceptability or not of clarification is irrelevant), end of story as far as the world is concerned. The call for blood is ignored.

Vastavus said:

So kind of like the "Never do business against the family" mentality?

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I don't serve the godfather, I serve the Father, God.

freewilly said:

Personally I think his FCC license should be revoked, or at the very least he should be fined.

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On those grounds, many more would also fit the bill. Many comments made via airwaves expressing dissent could likewise be judged as treason and other political commentaries unfavorable to other countries. Feel free to petition for such, but you will simply be disregarded and labeled the same as 'right-wingers', unpatriotic, etc.
It doesn't bother me if that is what you feel/believe. My objection is the call to believers from non-believers and the plea for extremist reaction-ism.

I however do not have that burden of Mr. Robertson's "plank" as you put it.

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That is how the Bible puts it.

Matthew 7:4
How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
Matthew 7:3-5 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)

Bad statement made, denouncement of statement made by others, clarification from Mr. Robertson given (acceptability or not of clarification is irrelevant), end of story as far as the world is concerned.

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It is over as far as I am concerned as well, and for what it is worth, I forgive Mr. Robertson. But I won't forget what he said, this bad statement is not an isolated incident.

The call for blood is ignored.

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I never called for blood, only recognition of wrongdoing.

I don't serve the godfather, I serve the Father, God.

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I wouldn't be so sure.

ChristianCenturion said:

On those grounds, many more would also fit the bill. Many comments made via airwaves expressing dissent could likewise be judged as treason and other political commentaries unfavorable to other countries. Feel free to petition for such, but you will simply be disregarded and labeled the same as 'right-wingers', unpatriotic, etc.
It doesn't bother me if that is what you feel/believe. My objection is the call to believers from non-believers and the plea for extremist reaction-ism.

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Calling for murder is a far cry friom simple dissent.

Vastavus said:

That is how the Bible puts it.

Matthew 7:4
How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
Matthew 7:3-5 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)

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I would suggest you leave the context as is in the Bible. That verse does not say that PR's plank is CC's plank.

It is over as far as I am concerned as well, and for what it is worth, I forgive Mr. Robertson. But I won't forget what he said, this bad statement is not an isolated incident.


I never called for blood, only recognition of wrongdoing.

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I, personally, have given recognition of wrong doing much earlier and didn't need to be 'persuaded' to do so; however, the world seems to want it over and more and over and more and... well, enough is enough for me. It's not like there isn't more of those that have heard the 'original denouncement' as opposed to the 'original statement as it was given' - the only compounding and broadcasting that increased it was done by the world, where is their apology (heh, heh.)?

Eldy said:

So now you are a prophet and can tell the thoughts of another mans heart? Who are you to say what this man thinks and what he is inside? If you have received Christ's forgiveness you have no right to turn around and act so condemningly. It is a terrible indictment when the Body of Christ acts like a troop of demons. Pandering to the world and in front of it is a shame.

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So it's not okay for Christians to condemn the action Robertson publically, because he is a fellow Christian, but it IS okay for you to condemn the actions other fellow Christians in this thread - publically? How does THAT make any sense?

Eldy said:

Again, maybe you should really look into what the Bible teaches and not a left wing unitarian distortion.

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You know nothing about me and apparently little to nothing about my religion.

I noticed that this thread was a interesting coversation about peoples opinions on a current event until you got here so I decided to check your previous posts. It didn't take long to realize that you only seem to be on this forum to bring judgement, ignorance and hatred to whatever thread you touch... Please note that I can no longer see anything you say, as none of it is of any value and therefore not worth my time.

freewilly said:

Calling for murder is a far cry friom simple dissent.

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Simple dissent?

http://liberalstreetfighter.com/ee/index.php?/fist/more/the_double_edged_sword/

It's only fiction, but is it legal?
An author's dramatization of a fact-based argument about killing President Bush makes Michael Moore's diatribe in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' look tame by comparison - and may push the boundaries of free speech.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0730/p11s02-bogn.html
BTW - no, I'm not a CS person - just a good article.

I could post other "kill Bush" sites; but after review and consideration, I see the material therein would probably only perpetuate the problem or violate rules of the forum... so I won't other than to say that a simple search brings up such AMERICAN and non-American sites*.

*But you might get on Big brother's watch list, so watch out...

I would suggest you leave the context as is in the Bible. That verse does not say that PR's plank is CC's plank.

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I was not refering to you as much as a certain other poster in this thread and a certain claim of 'comparative wrong'. I'm sorry that I offended you, please forgive me for being unclear.

Also, I gave a link to the entire chapter in the Bible, if you read it I assure you that you will find my context correct.

Ok, then so if Assasination is a new family value that's ok by most of you, is it ok if say, Jack Chirac of France decides that Bush is a bad leader, and has him assasinated?

Hey, it was cheaper then a war and easier then bombardment. The Majority of French of not the world would be happier so I guess it's ok then...

Vastavus said:

Pat Robertson and his supporters should stand back and think about how they can say to their brothers: 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in their own.

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That goes both ways and it appears there are some very blind Christians in this forum.

freewilly said:

Personally I think his FCC license should be revoked, or at the very least he should be fined.

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Hey, I am sure the devil aclu would take your case. Give them a call.

Vastavus said:

I wouldn't be so sure.

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I am sure your not.

DuchessDinesOut said:

You know nothing about me and apparently little to nothing about my religion.

I noticed that this thread was a interesting coversation about peoples opinions on a current event until you got here so I decided to check your previous posts. It didn't take long to realize that you only seem to be on this forum to bring judgement, ignorance and hatred to whatever thread you touch... Please note that I can no longer see anything you say, as none of it is of any value and therefore not worth my time.

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Ah, yes, everything that is spoken against something that is wrong is hatred. Typical unitarian mumbo jumbo. Accept everything that God rejects and reject everything God loves yet claim to be Christian.

I could therefore care less how you view me. I stand for what God stands for, not the left wing fascist world.

Vastavus said:

Such intolerance.

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Oh yes, I am very intolerant of heresy and especially religions that parade as Christian while coddling the world.

This little buzzword of tolerance is overrated and overused by todays corrupt society trying to spin the need for someone to stand firm on principles that were brought forth at the beginning of time. Now if you do not accept anything that is "in" as far as the world is concerned, you are intolerant. Well, then I am an intolerant, bigoted, right wing, fundamentalist to the core and I wear that badge with honor as long as it means I am against the ways of this corrupt world system.

In the words of Ryan Dobson;

"be intolerant because some things are just stupid."