Is assassination a new Family Value?

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Milla said:
Others do as much or more, without their host calling for murder. Put support elsewhere.

I think the most telling thing is not so much that he called for the assassination, but that when called on it he lied. He didn't even try to spin it or explain himself, he just outright lied as if it wasn't on tape.

That would make me wonder if the money I gave to the 700 club tsunami relief fund really did go there... That is, if I gave any money to the 700 club.
 
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Milla said:
It wouldn't have avoided full-on war, as it could have done nothing but accelerate the US invasion of Iraq and increase the brutality. I am thinking more of cases like those of rabidly expansionist imperialists, such as Hitler or Napoleon, who move to take over entire landmasses with war, and from whom most of the immediate aggressively imperial impetus of their nation comes.
Or invade sovereign countries who have not attacked us because of the demands of oil companies while trying to pretend that somehow this country has weapons of mass destruction despite years of failure by the UN to find such weapons? And once there suggest neighboring countries (coincidentally rich in oil reserves) are creating weapons of mass destruction and therefore should be also invaded?
 
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DuchessDinesOut said:
I think the most telling thing is not so much that he called for the assassination, but that when called on it he lied. He didn't even try to spin it or explain himself, he just outright lied as if it wasn't on tape.

That would make me wonder if the money I gave to the 700 club tsunami relief fund really did go there... That is, if I gave any money to the 700 club.


Anyone who gives money to televangelists thinking it will go to the needed need to understand that the top of the televangelists needy is the televangelist.





That said it would be interesting to see reports on just how much money the 700 club raised for the tsunami victims actually went for relief.

I would not be surprised if the actual amount was quite small.
 
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Regardless if he was wrong or right, I find it disgusting that "Christians" would talk about someone that Christ has bought with His blood like this on an open forum where the pagans can see. Kind of like taking a brother to court and humiliating the Body of Christ in the meantime.

Feel how you wish about this man but trashing Him in front of the world is wrong.
 
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Eldy said:
Regardless if he was wrong or right, I find it disgusting that "Christians" would talk about someone that Christ has bought with His blood like this on an open forum where the pagans can see. Kind of like taking a brother to court and humiliating the Body of Christ in the meantime.

Feel how you wish about this man but trashing Him in front of the world is wrong.

On the contrary, I think it's vital to "trash" what he said in front of the world, to send a clear signal that he doesn't speak for the world's Christians.

People keep complaining that Muslim leaders aren't speaking out enough against their fanatics? Well, time to prove that we are not hypocrites. I applaud the denunciations of his words. Rev. Wallis (of Sojourners) wrote an excellent op-ed against it, for example.
 
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outlaw said:
Or invade sovereign countries who have not attacked us because of the demands of oil companies while trying to pretend that somehow this country has weapons of mass destruction despite years of failure by the UN to find such weapons? And once there suggest neighboring countries (coincidentally rich in oil reserves) are creating weapons of mass destruction and therefore should be also invaded?

Outlaw, I am not a fan of the United States, nor especially of its foreign policy, but the simple fact is that it is the nature of the US to behave in a domineering way, with its bully capitalism. It doesn't matter who is the president of the US, it will behave this way - although some leaders might be slightly less aggressive/overt about it. To stop this would require an entire shift in US mentality. So one could not justify the assassination of GWB to stop his wars and save other lives - they would go on without him, probably even accellerate in response to his death.
 
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Eldy said:
Regardless if he was wrong or right, I find it disgusting that "Christians" would talk about someone that Christ has bought with His blood like this on an open forum where the pagans can see. Kind of like taking a brother to court and humiliating the Body of Christ in the meantime.

Feel how you wish about this man but trashing Him in front of the world is wrong.

He is a public figure and chose to be in the public eye, becuase he is Christian does not mean he should get special treatment and keep his stupid remarks or concerns about them hush hush. You see where that attitude led with the child abuse scandal in the Catholic church.
 
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freewilly said:
He is a public figure and chose to be in the public eye, becuase he is Chriastian does not mean he should get special treatment and keep his stupid remarks or concerns about them hush hush. You see where that attitude led with the child abuse scandal in the Catholic church.

Indeed - moreover, he made his remarks publically - on TV, no less! - so I see no reason to act like this is a matter of privacy for him. When you speak publically you automatically open yourself up for public criticism.
 
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I like how he lied and tried to back pedal when he said people misunderstood him.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

witness much pat?
 
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levi501 said:
I like how he lied and tried to back pedal when he said people misunderstood him.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

witness much pat?

Honestly, that was the thing that bothered me the most. Of course, people in a public position have a huge responsibility but quite often people are people and they just say stuff. I've told my husband I'm going to kill him several times, which, of course I'm not going to do but sometimes people just say things, stupid as they may be. However, saying "I never used the term assassinate" and "I said 'take him out' which could mean any number of things" when he definately said assassinate is bothersome. To me, the fact that he lied so blatently when everything he said was on tape just shows how comfortable he is with lying. If he had said, "Of course I don't think we should assassinate him. That was irresponsible for me to say on TV, but I didn't mean it literally." I think this whole thing would be done with right now.
 
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DuchessDinesOut said:
Honestly, that was the thing that bothered me the most. Of course, people in a public position have a huge responsibility but quite often people are people and they just say stuff. I've told my husband I'm going to kill him several times, which, of course I'm not going to do but sometimes people just say things, stupid as they may be. However, saying "I never used the term assassinate" and "I said 'take him out' which could mean any number of things" when he definately said assassinate is bothersome. To me, the fact that he lied so blatently when everything he said was on tape just shows how comfortable he is with lying. If he had said, "Of course I don't think we should assassinate him. That was irresponsible for me to say on TV, but I didn't mean it literally." I think this whole thing would be done with right now.

I agree about saying stupid things but this was not the case. Although the focus is only on a coulpe of statments I saw the broadcast that night and it was a conclusion he advocated after spouting off reasons he felt Chavez should be assinated. It was indeed a calculated statement and not a momentary lapse in anger or just said on the fly. And yes he only compounded it by lieing about not saying it. The question is did he really think, is he that arrogant that he thought people would not look at his so called apology and see it for what it was.
 
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freewilly said:
I agree about saying stupid things but this was not the case. Although the focus is only on a coulpe of statments I saw the broadcast that night and it was a conclusion he advocated after spouting off reasons he felt Chavez should be assinated. It was indeed a calculated statement and not a momentary lapse in anger or just said on the fly. And yes he only compounded it by lieing about not saying it. The question is did he really think, is he that arrogant that he thought people would not look at his so called apology and see it for what it was.

I was unaware that there was any more to it than that one statement. And yes... He is that arrogant.
 
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Milla said:
Indeed - moreover, he made his remarks publically - on TV, no less! - so I see no reason to act like this is a matter of privacy for him. When you speak publically you automatically open yourself up for public criticism.
Did I say to not speak about it? I said that we should not drag the Body of Christ through the mud for the world to see and mock.
 
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DuchessDinesOut said:
I was unaware that there was any more to it than that one statement. And yes... He is that arrogant.
And you know him some how? I guess I should not expect you to have discernment about the Body of Christ as you are a unitarian but it seems pretty arrogant of you to assume to know this man is arrogant.

HEY KETTLE! IT'S ME THE POT! YOU ARE BLACK!!:doh:
 
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DuchessDinesOut said:
I think the most telling thing is not so much that he called for the assassination, but that when called on it he lied. He didn't even try to spin it or explain himself, he just outright lied as if it wasn't on tape.

That would make me wonder if the money I gave to the 700 club tsunami relief fund really did go there... That is, if I gave any money to the 700 club.

I gave them money for the tsunami relief - they were one of the first groups on the ground in Sri Lanka. I have full confidence that the money was used properly.

How much money did you give to the relief? Who did you give it to?
 
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Eldy said:
And you know him some how? I guess I should not expect you to have discernment about the Body of Christ as you are a unitarian but it seems pretty arrogant of you to assume to know this man is arrogant.

HEY KETTLE! IT'S ME THE POT! YOU ARE BLACK!!:doh:

Maybe your right, but I know one thing... I'm not arrogant enough to say something like that on TV and then give a blatent lie as an explanation and believe everyone will believe me.

Why are your panties in such a wad over this guy anyway? It seems like this would be one of those times in the Body of Christ when you would want to pluck out the eye that causes sin.
 
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