Is it OK for Christians to Drink Alchohol?
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Can some tell me in the Bible please where Jesus drank????
also, if someone is TRUELY interested in this topic and is not here just to debate, there is an excellent author that i encourage you to read. His name is Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi. He graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He received a gold medal from Pope John Paul VI of earning the academic distinction of summa cum laude.
This is an excellent book on this subject!!
also, if someone is TRUELY interested in this topic and is not here just to debate, there is an excellent author that i encourage you to read. His name is Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi. He graduated from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He received a gold medal from Pope John Paul VI of earning the academic distinction of summa cum laude.
This is an excellent book on this subject!!
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1Ti 5:23 No longer drink water, but use a little wine on account of your stomach and your frequent infirmities.
1Pe 4:3 For the time of life having past [is] sufficient for you* to accomplish the desire of the Gentiles, having gone [fig., lived] in flagrant sexual immorality, lusts, drunkenness, drunken orgies, drinking parties, and unlawful [fig., abominable] idolatries;
Moderation is the key.
Mat 26:29 "But I say to you*, from now on by no means shall I drink of this fruit of the grapevine until that day when I shall be drinking it with you* new in the kingdom of My Father."
Incase someone here is unaware - the Passover Sader is eaten with WINE
And now Christ said - from this time forward . . . . .FURTHER:
Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
One does not get drunk off of grape juice and "New wine" is understood in this passage to be enough for someone to be drunk off of it.
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Luk 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
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The Bible says," Whether therefore ye eat, or drink...do all to the glory of God." 1 Cor. 10:31. Among all the popular poisons which are imbibbed by man, none is quite so deadly and destructive as alcohol. It has been the most malignan social disease known by any civilization. No wonder the Bible says,"Nor thieves nor the greedy nor DRUNKARDS nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Cor. 6:10. Most religious bodies have changed there attitude towards drinking from total abstinence to now moderation. In essence this is exactly the same position the brewers take-no drunkenness. But is that a safe posture to take? Stats show that one out of every 10 people who start drinking become either alcoholics or problem drinkers. How do you know what one your going to be??
The claim is made my many christians that the bible says moderate drinking is ok. I know, you say because the word WINE is used in scripture. But the recommended wine of the Bible is NOT alcoholic. The word wine is used for either fermented or unfermented drink. God declared, "As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants sakes, that I may not destroy them." Isa. 65:8.
This wine in the cluster has to be the fresh juice of the vine. This is the only kind God ever declared to have a blessing in it. There is no blessing in the intoxicating, befuddling bottle of fermented poison.
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Proverbs 20:1
"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder." Proverbs 23:31,32
Did Jesus go contrary to the Old Testament scriptures and turn the water into alcoholic wine? It is totally unthinkable tht he would do so. He obeyed the word of God. The wine he created was the new, unfermented kind. GRAPE JUICE.
Would Jesus, the Creator of the body, condone something that would weaken our moral inhibitions, reduce the power of effective decision, and finally destroy the sacred body temple of the Holy Spirit? "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." 1 Cor. 3:16-17
"Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? Those who linger over wine." Proverbs 23:29-30.
The claim is made my many christians that the bible says moderate drinking is ok. I know, you say because the word WINE is used in scripture. But the recommended wine of the Bible is NOT alcoholic. The word wine is used for either fermented or unfermented drink. God declared, "As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants sakes, that I may not destroy them." Isa. 65:8.
This wine in the cluster has to be the fresh juice of the vine. This is the only kind God ever declared to have a blessing in it. There is no blessing in the intoxicating, befuddling bottle of fermented poison.
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Proverbs 20:1
"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder." Proverbs 23:31,32
Did Jesus go contrary to the Old Testament scriptures and turn the water into alcoholic wine? It is totally unthinkable tht he would do so. He obeyed the word of God. The wine he created was the new, unfermented kind. GRAPE JUICE.
Would Jesus, the Creator of the body, condone something that would weaken our moral inhibitions, reduce the power of effective decision, and finally destroy the sacred body temple of the Holy Spirit? "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." 1 Cor. 3:16-17
"Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? Those who linger over wine." Proverbs 23:29-30.
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It is ok to drink if Jesus did it, it's just not ok to be a drunk. I have no problem with drinking as long as someone doesn't over do it.
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I like to have a (singular) craft beer on the weekend because I don't like soda anymore and wine I really don't care for and as to strong drink that is mentioned in Proverbs that, stuff reminds me of the taste of gasoline (use to haul the stuff).
My warning is to beware the buzz and the build up of a tolerance to it. If it's with a meal I can see it, but on an empty stomach...well....and if you're feelin' that happy feeling then take notice and think.
As to ministry...well ppl are watching us and for that fact non-beleiving folks in our lives also...the juries still out for me on even have my so called hobby beer (singular lol) on the weekend. Paul says not to stumble the weaker one among you.
Most definitely a person desicion between you and God and what the Bible says.
My warning is to beware the buzz and the build up of a tolerance to it. If it's with a meal I can see it, but on an empty stomach...well....and if you're feelin' that happy feeling then take notice and think.
As to ministry...well ppl are watching us and for that fact non-beleiving folks in our lives also...the juries still out for me on even have my so called hobby beer (singular lol) on the weekend. Paul says not to stumble the weaker one among you.
Most definitely a person desicion between you and God and what the Bible says.
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happywiththelord said:
Vincent's Word Studies said:Joh 2:10 -
Have well drunk (μεθυσθω?σι
Wyc., be filled. Tynd., be drunk. The A.V. and Tynd. are better than the Rev. when men have drunk freely. The ruler of the feast means that when the palates of the guests have become less sensitive through indulgence, an inferior quality of wine is offered. In every instance of its use in the New Testament the word means intoxication.
FURTHER
One does not get drunk off of grape juice and "New wine" is understood in this passage to be enough for someone to be drunk off of it.
As for the OT on wine:
You seem to have skipped over a few verses.
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i believe and i believe the bible supports that drinking alcohol in any amount is not what we should be doing. really, is it that hard not to drink. if the Lord made all those references i listed on the last page against it, do you really think he wants us to do it. even a little. like the classic line that we all have heard, if someone put a little bit of arsenic in your kool-aid, would you still drink it? a little wont hurt you right?? i hope you understand my analogy. the Lord doesnt want us to. its that simple and i dont understand why people find it hard to stop. the Lord doesnt want us to murder. and no one has a problem with that. or is it safe to say its ok to murder in moderation?
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wow, i dont like being so serious. thats not me! i am a real laid back person. but sometimes things just have to be said. please forgive if i offend anyone. 
that was totally not my intention!! 
that was totally not my intention!!
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i stand with my belief that the wine means grape juice. with that being said, wine has two meanings in the bible. when it was translated into our language, instead of differentialting the two, they just said wine all the time. the Lord made grape juice.
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Each person must study for themselves and ask God to show them. I have heard there is no direct prohibition against it but rather warnings as to its abuse which honestly is quite easy to do.
Many masses (though I do not go to high church) are performed with real wine (took communon at Catholic
mass once on Christmas Eve, that stuff most def warmed the bones that cold night). If it is sin for someone then they most def should not touch it. If we are in a position to stumble someone we should take care. 
My dad was a full blown alcoholic
and I stopped drinking beer when my kids were little. They're all grown now I like to have one beer once in awhile but would never want to stumble someone. I respect the opinion of those that say no and would never want to argue the point to the point of upsetting someone.
Many masses (though I do not go to high church) are performed with real wine (took communon at Catholic mass once on Christmas Eve, that stuff most def warmed the bones that cold night). If it is sin for someone then they most def should not touch it. If we are in a position to stumble someone we should take care. My dad was a full blown alcoholic
and I stopped drinking beer when my kids were little. They're all grown now I like to have one beer once in awhile but would never want to stumble someone. I respect the opinion of those that say no and would never want to argue the point to the point of upsetting someone.
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Is it that hard to only drink in moderation? Is it that hard to accept that Christ made what he made which is wine? Each and every reference you listed is a reference to drunkenness or to wine replacing God in the life of the person.happywiththelord said:
FURTHER - Where does God call drinking wine a sin? Or drinking Beer for that matter?? Murder on the otherhand He clearly states is a sin and lists penalties for that sin.
BTW - Arsenic is in lots and lots of medicines! rotfl
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Are we friends Pumanator??!! I hope so. I like you! Even though we differ in our belief of drinking, I really like how you handle yourself! I appreciate your mannerisms and humbleness!
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