Attn RKF - Shroud and other miracles

Last but not least, it is condoned by the catholic church that definatly makes it fake

To RFK1 Corinthians 2:2
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified

1 Corinthians 1:23-24
But we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

It appears that preaching Christ crucified on the crucifix today is still a stumbling block.
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But keeping him there is dening his resurrection, therefore dening his victory over death, hell, and the grave, hence he isn't the risen saviour...

BTW those scriptures say PREACHING, not keeping him on the cross, crucifix is a pagan symbol...Do this in rememberence of me was for the last supper not keeping him hung on the cross

From the site that Trento posted:

On January 1996, after several months of studying microscopic samples of the Shroud, the team of Dr. Leoncio A. Garza-Valdez, and Dr. Stephen J. Mattingly conclude That Shroud is centuries older than the Carbon Dating procedure. Valdez says that the Shroud’s fibers are coated with bacteria and fungi that have grown for centuries. Carbon dating, he said, had sampled a mixture of the contaminants as well as the fibers themselves.

Also, the 1532 fire deposited more carbon 14 than normal in the area where the sample for the 1988 carbon-dating was taken. The sample was taken only three inches away from were the molten silver vaporized the linen fibers. And we have to remember that the poor Clares handled that area to patch up the shroud.

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In the book "The Shroud of Turin," the image is described as scorch marks, NOT paint. The blood stains are of a pigment consistent with blood.

Interesting to note that the image is a photo negative, a concept NOT known in the time-frame given by the Carbon-14 dating.

Also, the reversed image also reveal that coins were placed upon the eyes of the person, a common custom in Palestine at the time of Jesus, plus the coin markings are consistent with the Roman coins from that age.

If a traveling priest made the marks on the cloth, why would he have ancient Roman coins over his eyes?

All the wounds depicted on the cloth are completely consistent with the wounds received by Christ up to and including the actual Crucifixion itself. The wound to the side, said to be caused by the Roman Centurion who stabbed the dead body of Jesus, has a coincidental blood stain on the cloth, and the blood is diluted as opposed to the blood stains from the other wounds.

The blood stains on the arms are in two directions, which would indicate the two positions the crucified person assumes on the cross, to permit breathing.

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If a person CHOOSES to believe, RKF, it is not up to you to belittle him or her.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

It's a bunch of the same ol' rederick that the harlot as produced to keep people at awe with
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Last but not least, it is condoned by the catholic church that definatly makes it fake

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You know, RKF, you can easily express your disagreement with the Catholic Faith without resorting to snotty editorial comments.

Statements like "rhetoric that the harlot has produced" (I am correcting your spelling here) and things condoned by the Catholic Church being "definitely fake" are uncalled for.

Please try to keep your bigotry in check in the future.

Thanks for the spelling correction. Telling the truth isn't bigotry, if it's in the Bible then isn't it truth?

BTW are you pointing that gun at me?

Thanks for the spelling correction.

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You're welcome.

Telling the truth isn't bigotry, if it's in the Bible then isn't it truth?

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Kindly provide me with Scriptural quotes which specifically name the Catholic Church as the harlot and for the "definitely fake" comment (no, interpretations won't do---the quote must contain the words Catholic Church). If you cannot provide me with such quotes, then the judgement of bigotry remains in place.

BTW are you pointing that gun at me?

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No, lad; if I were pointing it at you, there'd be a suction-cup dart on the end of your nose.

Regards,
---Wols.

LOL...

HAHaHAHaHAHaHAHAHaHAHaHAhAHAHaHAHAhAhAhA Wols, ol' boy, you have made a funny!

The Bible doesn't name names, Just gives symbolic proofs, like scarlet robes and sit on 7 hills and makes the world drink her abominations....etc....but it doesn't change the fact of where the finger is pointing

Right - it's pointing right at Jerusalem (the Harlot) and Rome (the 7 hills). Heh, heh...

In Christ,

Acts6:5

To RKF:

Gee, I have a scarlet robe. Does that make ME a suspect, too?

Elsewhere in this Forum, Wolseley posted a list of at least a dozen cities worldwide that sit on seven hills.

Oh, and the Vatican is NOT one of the seven in Rome! Hee Hee!


Peace,
~VOW

John tells us in his revelation that the Lamb still stands on the altar before the throne of God as "a Lamb as though slain".

Behold, 0 kind and most sweet Jesus,
I cast myself upon my knees in Thy sight,
And with the most fervent desire of my soul I pray and beseech Thee
That Thou wouldst impress upon my heart lively sentiments
of Faith, Hope, and Charity,
With true repentance for my
sins, and a firm desire of amendment,
Whilst with deep affection and
grief of soul I ponder within myself
And mentally contemplate
Thy five most precious wounds,
Having before my eyes that
which David spoke in prophecy of Thee,
0 good Jesus: "They have pierced
my hands and feet;
they have numbered all my bones. "

So do you think that there is a cross in heaven with Jesus on it? NO,
There maybe several cities that sit on 7 hills, but only one of them houses a false church, Rome

No, Jerusalem isn't the harlot...Can't be, doesn't fit the scenario

Elsewhere in this Forum, Wolseley posted a list of at least a dozen cities worldwide that sit on seven hills.

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That is correct, VOW. They are as follows:

• Kampala, Uganda
  
• Thiruvanathapuram, India
  
• Plovdiv, Bulgaria
  
• Amman, Jordan
  
• Ellicot City, Maryland
  
• Lisbon, Portugal
  
• Besancon, France
  
• Seattle, Washington
  
• Cincinnati, Ohio
  
• Istanbul, Turkey

My personal vote for "De Great Ho" is Ellicot City, Maryland---where on earth could you ever find a more sinister municipality?

Oh, and the Vatican is NOT one of the seven in Rome!

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Correct again, VOW. When John wrote Revelation, the City of Rome consisted of seven hills: Quirinal, Viminal, Capitol, Esquiline, Palatine, Aventine, and Caelian.

Vatican Hill was not only not one of the seven hills, it wasn't even on the same side of the crick---it was on the other side of the Tiber River, outside the city limits, in a swamp. The only reason it ended up being the headquarters of the Catholic Church is because Christians could not bury their dead legally inside the city limits, and so the Christians had to haul Peter's body across the river into a remote spot in the wilderness to bury it, which just happened to be Vatican Hill. Centuries later, a church was built over his grave, which expanded over the years into the basilica that now stands on the spot. But when Peter was orginally buried there, there wasn't anything there---it was just a hill in the middle of the pulpwood slashings.

Two other hills also sat outside the city limits as well: Pincian and Janiculum; where do they fit into the "false religion" scenario?

There maybe several cities that sit on 7 hills, but only one of them houses a false church, Rome

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The system that John was describing was the Roman Empire, not the Roman Catholic Church, RKF. And I will caution you one more time about denegrating the Catholic Church. That's two strikes: one more and you're on vacation.

Roman empire is it not the catholic church? Why does everyone get so upset when someone talks about the catholic church anyway? I could use a vacation, how about San Antonio, I want to see the Alamo again, can my kids go too ?, and who foots the bill ?

BTW Where were you guys when brooks was calling me a cultist? I didn't see any of yall saying "once more and your on vacation"

To RKF:

TALKING about the Catholic Church is one thing.

Denigrating it and the people who believe in it is something entirely different.


Peace,
~VOW

Roman empire is it not the catholic church?

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No. The Roman Empire ceased to exist in the West in 476 AD, and in the East in 1453 AD. In any event, the Rome that John was talking about in Revelation was the Empire under the administration of the Julio-Claudian Emperors, and they've all been dead even longer than John Nelson Darby.

Why does everyone get so upset when someone talks about the catholic church anyway?

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Oh, talking about it doesn't get people worked up. Denegrating it is something else. It's when phrases like "the Great harlot", "false church", "synagogue of Satan", "anti-Christian teachings", "lies", "delusions", and dire predictions about how God will destroy it in the near future start popping up. That's when people get upset.

I could use a vacation, how about San Antonio, I want to see the Alamo again

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Since your vacation would be from an Internet website, I see no reason why your destination can't be on-line too; there should be plenty of sites with pictures of downtown San Antonio, and surely one with pictures of the Alamo.

can my kids go too ?

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As long as they can all crowd around the computer screen, absolutely.

and who foots the bill ?

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It's paid for already---your monthly ISP bill takes care of it.

BTW Where were you guys when brooks was calling me a cultist? I didn't see any of yall saying "once more and your on vacation"

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I'm unaware of the thread in question, but then, I'm just one moderator. Can you provide me with links?

To Wols:

"Lonks"?????????????????





Good one!



Peace and laughter,
~VOW

Originally posted by Wolseley

Can you provide me with lonks?

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Probably not!