Replacement theology

Acts6:5 said:

Well, the scripture certainly teaches something along those lines when it comes to the issue of election or else Romans 9:11-22 wouldn't exist. But anyway, my agreement with Mark didn't really have to do with salvation/damnation issues.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

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My point is to point you to the Scripture that teaches that we were all called into being to be sons of the Living God, human sons, in Adam, and Adam was 'son of God' and given seed to multiply his being into the 'many' sons of God that the Creator sought to fill this earth with.

Judas was called and chosen, and his name was written in the Book of Life along with all the seed of Adam who were planned before the foundation of the world to have their being in the Adam; but the Holy Spirit prayed through David that Judas' name be blotted out for his unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the revelation of the Son of God revealed to him, and the denial of His Person by selling him to the rulers of Israel. In Psalm 69:20-28, Judas was mentioned by the Holy Spirit, who prayed through David that he be blotted out of the book of Life along with the rulers who knew and blasphemed His Holy Spirit's personal revelation of His Name); and also, from that Psalm and Psalm 109:1-8, Peter spoke, in Acts 1:15-20 about the matter and said the Holy Spirit said that about Judas;

Jesus told the disciples to 'rejoice not' that demons were subject to them in His name but to rejoice that their names were were written in heaven -they were chosen to be redeemed with all Adam whose names were all written in the Book of Life (Nephillim are not written in the book of Life):
Judas was written in heaven, in the Book of Life, is the point, but blotted out, and so there is no doctrine that teaches that any of Adam was 'chosen for damnation' before they were brought into being. Election is not about God picking some to be saved and some to be damned, for all Adam is written in the book of Life before the foundation of the world and can only get their names blotted out of it, not added to it.


We who are the seed of Adam, were all called to be adopted sons of God, before we came into being, by being written in the book of Life. We die in Adam and now need to be adopted into the New Man, the Anointed Firstborn, YHWH of hosts, second Person, who is come, in Israel flesh, to be our Kinsman Redeemer.

If one does not answer the call of the Light that lights every man that comes into the world, they get their names blotted out.
'Israel' is the 'Elect' of God by the adoption given to them when Jacob got the Adoption name; but not all who are promised the adoption want it and so will not receive it.
By our first father's freewill we died the first death, and by our own freewill we will inherit the eternal Life promised and planned for us or we will die the second death, in Adam.

If we repent and call upon His name we will receive the Spirit of adoption and not be blotted out of the Book of Life.

Mark G. said:

Concerning your charge of "spiritualizing" the word of God...

Allow me to ask you a question... Elijah... The Old Testiment says...

Mal 4:5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

Has Elijah come yet?

Respecfully
Mark G.

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Mark,

Perhaps you would first expound upon the scriptures which you have ignored.. ie, Israel being blinded in part until the 'fulness of the Gentiles' be come in, and also as to what the Lord meant when He said that Jerusalem would be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled..

I'll also show you clear scriptural truths from the book of Matthew which show us that when the Lord comes in His glory.. and then sits upon the throne of His glory.. that His Apostles will also sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel...

This is partly what I'm referring to when I charge that these things are being spiritualized..

So.. what's your take on these things..?

If a person will take the whole of scripture literally and lets the scripture interpret scripture with no overspiritualizing the land or the people, Israel is clearly defined in the Old and New Testaments as the two houses of Isrel and their companions. The land is a physical land, and the people are a physical people. God uses the physical and it is part of what He plans as a whole for eternity, that along with the spiritual makes a whole. Otherwise there would not be a new earth but only a new heavens to be created, as foretold to us by God in His word.

God's mystery of Romans 11 is how 10 of the 12 tribes were sifted into the Gentile nations, to come forth at the right and fulness of time as "Sons of the Living God". It was the lost sheep of the house of Israel that Jesus said He came to find and said that they would hear His voice (Hosea 1:9-11; Mat.15:24; John 10:16). We do not know but that our ancestors were related to one of those ten tribes, and probably are, but God knows, and all the prophets spend most of their time prophecying about how this mighty tribe of people would come to the aid of their brother Judah in the last days (Amos 9:9; Zech.9:13). Even the number of years within the Gentile nations that the house of Israel would be scattered is given by the prophets and a description of where they would live (Le.26:18;Ez.4:4). I have 16 pages of verses giving detail about who Israel is, and that is not even close to all that is said to them who are the "firstborn" of God, according to the promise of God to Abraham and his descendants, Isaac and Jacob. God has never changed His plan at all (Mal.3:6). From the begining, the stranger was welcome to come and sojourn with the children of Israel and be companions with them, enjoying the benefits of their covenent with God as long as they obeyed the laws of the covenant and worshipped according to the word of God. Paul says that these are, in part, the wild branches grafted in. Eventually, the jealousy and vexation between the two houses of Israel will come to an end and they will come together under One King (Is.11:13). That is the final analysis - the two houses of Israel and their companions come together under King Jesus.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

This verse is to Israel, the house of Israel and not Judah until verse 11 where they unite under one head.

Hosea 1:9 Then God said: "Call his name Lo-Ammi, For you are not My people, And I will not be your God. 10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There it shall be said to them, ‘You are sons of the living God.’ 11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Ezekiel confirms this reunion of the two houses and their companions and speaks of the days where they will be under one King and no longer defile themselves.

Ez. 37:16 "And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’
17 "Then join them for yourself one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.
18 "When the sons of your people speak to you saying, ‘Will you not declare to us what you mean by these?’
19 say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand."‘
20 "The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
21 "Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;
22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations and no longer be divided into two kingdoms.
23 "They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God.
24 "My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them.
25 "They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.

The spiritual kingdom of God is invisible and within the believer, but the physical kingdom of God has not yet come to earth where it will be in the restored land of Israel which is from the river Nile to the Euphrates river in Iraq (Gen.15:18). For 1000 years the saints will reign with King Jesus and fulfill the last day of mankind on this earth - the last 1000 years or day of rest where the spear in made into a plowshare and the lion will lay with the lamb (Rev.20:1-8; 1Cor.6:2,3) The last physical dwelling of God's people is on the new earth with a new heavens, where Jerusalem is is a huge city 1400 x 1400 x 1400 miles Rev.21:16).

See where Ezekiel says we will be restored to:

Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Zechariah sees both houses reunited with Ephraim a mighty man, ready to come home and occupy the land once again, at the whistle of God.:

Zech 10:6-10 I will strengthen the house of Judah, and will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them back, because I have had compassion on them; and they will be as though I had not rejected them, for I am Yahweh their Elohim and I will answer them. Ephraim will be like a mighty man, and their heart will be glad as if from wine; indeed, their children will see it and be glad, their heart will rejoice in Yahweh. I will whistle for them to gather them together,for I have redeemed them; and they will be as numerous as they were before. When I scatter them among the peoples, they will remember Me in far countries, and they with their children will live and come back. I will bring them back from the land of Egypt and gather them from Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon until no room can be found for them.

Here, Ephraim is the arrow in Judah's bow, with the Lord fighting with them against the unbelievers with lightning at the trumpet blast. Is not this scene depicted in Revelations? How will a Church not prepared for battle participate in this?

Zech.9:13 Judah is my bow, and Israel is my arrow! Jerusalem is my sword, and like a warrior, I will brandish it against the Greeks. 14 The LORD will appear above his people; his arrows will fly like lightning! The Sovereign LORD will sound the trumpet; he will go out against his enemies like a whirlwind from the southern desert. 15 The LORD Almighty will protect his people, and they will subdue their enemies with sling stones. They will shout in battle as though drunk with wine, shedding the blood of their enemies. They will be filled with blood like a bowl, drenched with blood like the corners of the altar.

Oh for the day that this verse would be fulfilled. Today, it seems so far off as Ephraims descendants do not recognize their heritage and Judah its Messiah:

Isaiah 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah,and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

Here, Amos speaks after Hosea's prophecy towards Ephraim and the house of Israel. Indeed, God has sifted us into all the nations as though we were not His people, but has called us out as "Sons of the Living God".

Amos 9:9 "For surely I will command, And will sift the house of Israel among all nations, As grain is sifted in a sieve; Yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.

Hosea 1:9 Then God said: "Call his name Lo-Ammi, For you are not My people, And I will not be your God. 10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ There it shall be said to them, ‘You are sons of the living God.’

Hosea 5:3 I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled.

Hosea 8:8 ¶ Israel is swallowed up; Now they are among the Gentiles Like a vessel in which is no pleasure.

The house of Judah came back and rebuilt the temple and walls of Jerusalem after a time, never giving up their identity to God, but the house of Israel never repented of their sins and forgot their God altogether, following the sin of Jeroboam, their first king. Jeroboam changed the feasts and appointed times God has set so that the people would not yearn for their brother and the solemn assemblies of God, being political and wicked instead of obeying God.

Ezekiel 4:4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. 5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Le 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

All the prophets speak of the physical land of Israel and the restoration to it. The verses are too many to share by posting. I can only recommend rereading the Old Testament as I have had to do once learning that nearly all I was taught regarding "Israel" was wrong.

Is.65:9 I will preserve a remnant of the people of Israel and of Judah to possess my land. Those I choose will inherit it and serve me there. 10 For my people who have searched for me, the plain of Sharon will again be filled with flocks, and the valley of Achor will be a place to pasture herds.

Jer 3:18 In those days the house of Judah will walk with the house of Israel, and they will come together from the land of the north to the land that I gave your fathers as an inheritance.

Micah 4:6-8 In that day, declares Yahweh, I will assemble the lame and gather the outcasts, Even those whom I have afflicted. I will make the lame a remnant and the outcasts a strong nation. And Yahweh will reign over them in Mount Zion from now on and forever. As for you, tower of the flock, hill of the daughter of Zion, to you will come - even the former dominion will come, the kingdom of the daughter of Jerusalem.

Mark G. said:

Concerning your charge of "spiritualizing" the word of God...

Allow me to ask you a question... Elijah... The Old Testiment says...

Mal 4:5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

Has Elijah come yet?

Respecfully
Mark G.

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John the Baptist came in the Spirit and power of Elijah, so said the angel to his daddy.
He was the forerunner of YHWH, when He, YHWH of hosts, 'was come in flesh' unto His own, and His own received Him not; but as many as received Him to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believed on His name;

in Mark 9, Elijah appears with Moses, John is dead, but Moses and Elijah are very much alive;

2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. 3 His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.

4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.

...10 So they kept this word to themselves, questioning what the rising from the dead meant.
11 And they asked Him, saying, "Why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"
12 Then He answered and told them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it written concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be treated with contempt? 13 But I say to you that Elijah has also come, and they did to him whatever they wished, as it is written of him."

Jesus was not teaching re-incarnation nor was He teaching that Elijah was not to come, for He said that he is coming and that he has come in the same passage.

John was asked if He was Elijah, and he said;
No, I AM NOT.

Elijah is coming, and he stood upon the Mount of transfiguration with Moses (whose body was not given to the devil=corruption=death of the body, says Jude), after John was dead, seeing the glory of the incarnate YHWH of hosts -second Person, and spoke to him of His upcoming death. They are the two 'eye'- witnesses who will come to preach Jesus in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half years after the Gentile Church is harvested off this present earth='laqach' -as Enoch was before the flood.

Mark G. said:

Hello Mark


Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Rom 11:25-27 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

I believe the reference to the gentiles and their full number is this gospel age. At the close of which all Israel, jew and gentile, those who have been chosen will experence eternal life... Jerusalem being trampled upon until his return...

Respectfully
Mark G.

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So what happens when He returns...?

Here's a few thoughts pertaining to His coming and what will happen then... they're from Matthew's gospel, as mentioned.. chapters 19 and also 25..

When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:

And before Him shall be gathered all nations...

Here's what the Lord tells His Apostles in Matthew 19...

Then answered Peter and said unto Him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So we see from the scriptures that when the Lord comes and then sits upon the throne of His glory.. (in the regeneration).. that His Apostles (Peter, James, John, etc..) will also sit upon thrones and will judge the twelve tribes of who...?

That's right..

Israel

Again, Israel is the only nation on this planet that is not a Gentile nation... and so when the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled... Israel will again be the Head of the nations... they will embrace their King, the One whom they have pierced.. and they will mourn for Him in that Day..

The Day of the Lord..

NOW, concerning your question about Elijah.. I would have answered it pretty much the same way as it has been answered according to the scriptures, and I would simply add that the Word of God is as a two-edged sword... There are many aspects of what that entails.. and in my estimation.. one of them is the two sides to His prophetic word.. how that it has a pertinent meaning at the time, and all through time up to a future period...as it is living and powerful.

Markea said:

Mark,

Perhaps you would first expound upon the scriptures which you have ignored.. ie, Israel being blinded in part until the 'fulness of the Gentiles' be come in, and also as to what the Lord meant when He said that Jerusalem would be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled..


So.. what's your take on these things..?

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Do you really care what his take is?

I don't think you do, for even after being shown on multiple occasions by me that your interpratation of "Fulness of the gentiles" is incorrect and unscriptural, you continue to cling to it as the cornerstone for your argument against fulfillment/expansion theology.

Israel is the only nation on this planet which is not a Gentile nation...

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Another untruth.

Todays Israel has zero genetic relationship to the Israel of Biblical times. ZERO.

The lions share of Todays Jewish Israelis have as their genetic forfathers the gentile Russian Khazars, who were CONVERTED en masse to the Talmudic Jewish religion in the middle of the first milennium AD.



Genetic, Mosaic Jews they are not.

parousia70 said:

Do you really care what his take is?

I don't think you do, for even after being shown on multiple occasions by me that your interpratation of "Fulness of the gentiles" is incorrect and unscriptural, you continue to cling to it as the cornerstone for your argument against fulfillment/expansion theology.



Another untruth.

Todays Israel has zero genetic relationship to the Israel of Biblical times. ZERO.

The lions share of Todays Jewish Israelis have as their genetic forfathers the gentile Russian Khazars, who were CONVERTED en masse to the Talmudic Jewish religion in the middle of the first milennium AD.



Genetic, Mosaic Jews they are not.

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Totally refuted by the Word of God.

Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as [corn] is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Ezekiel 20:
God Will Restore Israel
33 "As I live," says the Lord God, "surely with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, I will rule over you. 34 I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. 36 Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you," says the Lord God.
37 "I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant; 38 I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.


39 "As for you, O house of Israel," thus says the Lord God: "Go, serve every one of you his idols--and hereafter--if you will not obey Me; but profane My holy name no more with your gifts and your idols. 40 For on My holy mountain, on the mountain height of Israel," says the Lord God, "there all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, shall serve Me; there I will accept them, and there I will require your offerings and the firstfruits of your sacrifices, together with all your holy things. 41 I will accept you as a sweet aroma when I bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you have been scattered; and I will be hallowed in you before the Gentiles.

42 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for which I raised My hand in an oath to give to your fathers. 43 And there you shall remember your ways and all your doings with which you were defiled; and you shall loathe yourselves in your own sight because of all the evils that you have committed. 44 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have dealt with you for My name's sake, not according to your wicked ways nor according to your corrupt doings, O house of Israel," says the Lord God.'"

parousia70 said:

Do you really care what his take is?

I don't think you do, for even after being shown on multiple occasions by me that your interpratation of "Fulness of the gentiles" is incorrect and unscriptural, you continue to cling to it as the cornerstone for your argument against fulfillment/expansion theology.



Another untruth.

Todays Israel has zero genetic relationship to the Israel of Biblical times. ZERO.

The lions share of Todays Jewish Israelis have as their genetic forfathers the gentile Russian Khazars, who were CONVERTED en masse to the Talmudic Jewish religion in the middle of the first milennium AD.



Genetic, Mosaic Jews they are not.

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Well thanks for your opinion... and even though YOU take your opinion as gospel truth.. I got news for you.. it's really just your opinion.. and it's all based upon your amillennialistic mind set... which proclaims that we're already in the millennial kingdom of Christ, that the first resurrection is past, and that Satan is currently bound and unable to deceive the nations.. and so if that's what you're clinging to, then so be it.. it won't be long 'til that nonsense is completely revealed for what it actually is...in spite of the fact that the scriptures refute these things already...

Some would rather cleave to their dogma.. and so hey, that's your choice..

I told you that I believe that it's pointless to discuss these things with preterists such as yourself... because that is your take on these things... and that's why I asked Mark... I don't see him embracing the scriptures through the preterist lense which you do..

I'll say it again.. it's pointless and fruitless to discuss these things with preterists.. such as yourself..

So.. please don't expect me to comment upon your preterist views.. I probably will not waste any more time doing that.

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A question here, is the beginning of the millennium or the end... ?[/color]

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well, let's see.. if you're amillennial.. and ignore the fact that these are the times of the Gentiles..and that Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.. AND, if you ignore that Israel (the only non-Gentile nation on this planet) has been blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in... if you ignore or spiritualize all of the prophecy concerning Israel and apply it to the church of God.. etc etc etc..

You'll say it's the end of it...

An artful dodge...

Let me repeat the question... Elijah... The Old Testiment says...

Mal 4:5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

Has Elijah come yet? Either a Yes, or a No, would be an appropriate response...

Respectfully
Mark G.

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What do you want to hear Mark.. whatever suits your theology..? I told you that the Word of God is a two-edged sword.. AND that it's LIVING and powerful... If you'd like to limit it to a static yes or no answer then that's fine.. I choose not to do that..

It has also been mentioned that John himself said that he was not Elijah..and Luke tells us that he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah..

Malachi closes the OT scriptures which are primarily written to Israel, although they are profitable for all.. and the book closes with His coming as the sun of righteousness arising with healing in his wings...and Elijah coming before the great and dreadful Day of the Lord...

The NT however, which is written primarily to the church of God, closes with the Root and the Offspring of David... who comes as the bright and morning star... ie, before the sun arises...

The Revelation speaks of a witness (one of two) who has power to shut the heavens that it rain not...hmmmm, where have we heard that before..? These two witnesses prophesy 1260 days.. which is 3.5 years..

Now, unless you're another preterist...and believe that this portion of the Revelation has come to pass already...then you'd have to seriously consider the likeness of this witness to Elijah... for James tells us that he prayed earnestly that it would not rain for a period of... well...you guessed it.. 3.5 years...

Coincidence..

Only a preterist would dismiss these verses in the prohetic book of the Revelation.. which were written of the things which he (John) hast seen, and of the things which are (church age).. and the things which shall be hereafter.. describing the horrifying events which shall come upon this planet in judgment..

in that dreadful Day...

The Day of the Lord... which is as a thousand years..

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.

Mark G,

did Jesus say that Elijah was truly 'coming' -still, after John the Baptist was dead, according to the passage I posted?

did He say that Elijah had come, but was coming?

did the angel say that John would go in the spirit and power of Elijah?
Did John say that He was NOT Elijah?

did Moses and Elijah appear on the mount of transfiguration speaking to the LORD about His upcoming death in Jerusalem?

Are there to be two 'eye' witnesses who will preach in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half years? -Eye witnesses because they saw Him in His incarnated glory on the mount, along with Peter, James, and John, who were eye-witnesses, and Peter understood that the LORD chose 'eye-witnesses' to show Himself to, who would preach His Gospel, until He comes to be revealed to the entire world -as John saw, in the book about that revelation coming.

You cannot witness to something that you have not witnessed

Mark G. said:

I did not ask you what I thought it was. I asked you, if you believe Matt 25:31-46 to be the beginning or the end of the millennium...? I'm beginning to think you won't answer a straight question for fear of being caught in a fallacy.


Respectfully
Mark G.

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Yes Mark.. I believe that the verses from Matthew 19 and 25, concerning the Lord coming and His Apostles sitting upon thrones with Him..do speak of the beginning of the millennial Kingdom of our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ.. when He comes in that Day.. with all His saints..

in the Day of Christ..

..He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the Day of Jesus Christ..

All thanksgiving, honor and praise be to the God of the living, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...

Mark G. said:

Funny isn't it... how we both have the same book yet you forgot to meniton...

... And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear.

Respectfully
Mark G.

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Funny isn't it... how we both have the same book yet you forgot to meniton...

Hello Mark G,

No, I didn’t forget to mention anything.

The passage I posted is after John is dead, Jesus says John was Elijah who was to come and He also said that Elijah is coming -yet. Did you not read that?

I also said that the angel told John’s daddy that John would go before YHWH in the spirit and power of Elijah -did you not read that?

I also said the John was asked if He was Elijah and He said -‘No, I am not! -did you not read that?

So Elijah is coming yet,

but for those who have received the LORD, Elijah is not coming, for when Elijah comes to the streets of Jerusalem, they’ll be in heaven, with the LORD, and not needing to have their hearts turned to the fathers & etc.
Maybe you didn’t know that the LORD is coming again?-to be revealed to the whole world! -And maybe you didn’t know Elijah is coming to preach in the streets of Jerusalem as one of the two eye-witnesses before the Day of the LORD?