And Ya'll Think that Christians Outnumber Non Christians

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Most Adults Feel Accepted by God, But Lack a Biblical Worldview
August 9, 2005


(Ventura, CA) – How people react to moral issues is a common challenge these days. The Supreme Court nomination of John Roberts, funding for stem cell research, the war in Iraq and against terrorism, sexual abuse by clergy, the Terri Schiavo case, gay marriage, and many other recent issues have brought people’s moral convictions into play. Yet, in spite of the fact that most Americans consider themselves to be Christian, very few adults base their moral decisions on the Bible, and surprisingly few believe that absolute moral truth exists. These are among the findings from a new national survey conducted by The Barna Group among a representative sample of 1002 adults.

The survey also revealed that most Americans say they are “deeply spiritual,” feel “accepted by God,” and believe they have a clear personal understanding of the meaning and purpose of their life.

Absolute Moral Truth

When asked whether they believe moral truth is based on absolute standards or is relative to the circumstances, Americans are divided into roughly equal segments. About one-third (35%) contends that moral truth is absolute – that is, it is not dependent upon the circumstances. Another one-third (32%) says that morality is always determined by the situation. The remaining one-third (33%) indicates that they do not know if moral truth is absolute or relative.

Once again, people’s religious connections relate to their perspective on truth. A large majority of evangelicals (70%) report believing that moral truth is absolute. But a minority of non-evangelical born again adults (42%) holds that same view, and even fewer of the notional Christians (25%), people associated with non-Christian faiths (16%) and those who claim to be atheist or agnostic (27%) embrace moral absolutes.

Biblical Worldview

For several years, The Barna Group has been tracking how many people possess a “biblical worldview.” The organization defines such a life perspective on the basis of several questions about religious beliefs. The definition requires someone to believe that absolute moral truth exists; that the source of moral truth is the Bible; that the Bible is accurate in all of the principles it teaches; that eternal spiritual salvation cannot be earned; that Jesus lived a sinless life on earth; that every person has a responsibility to share their religious beliefs with others; that Satan is a living force, not just a symbol of evil; and that God is the all-knowing, all-powerful maker of the universe who still rules that creation today.

Using that framework, Barna discovered that the percentage of adults holding a biblical worldview has remained minimal and unchanged over the past three years, despite the widespread public debate about moral issues and the efforts of thousands of churches to enhance people’s moral convictions. Currently, only 5% of adults have a biblical worldview. The percentage varies among faith groups. About half of all evangelicals have such a perspective. Overall, 8% of Protestants possess that view, compared to less than one-half of one percent of Catholics.

George Barna, whose acclaimed book Think Like Jesus described the core elements of a biblical worldview in laymen’s terms, noted that the religious books of greatest influence in the past several years have not addressed people’s fundamental theological views. “Most of the bestsellers have focused on meaning, purpose, security and the end times,” the researcher pointed out. “While there have been theological views expressed in those books, very few popular books have helped people to think clearly and comprehensively about their core theology. Consequently, most born again Christians hold a confusing and inherently contradictory set of religious beliefs that go unchecked by the leaders and teachers of their faith community.”

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Surprise, surprise! You make the definition for "biblical worldview" incredibly strict (and, conveniently, matching up perfectly with your own beliefs), and all of a sudden less than a tenth of the population is "Christian."

I think if we defined Christianity by the Nicene Creed (as, conveniently, we do here at CF), we might find a higher number of "Christians."
 
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nadroj1985 said:
Surprise, surprise! You make the definition for "biblical worldview" incredibly strict (and, conveniently, matching up perfectly with your own beliefs), and all of a sudden less than a tenth of the population is "Christian."

I think if we defined Christianity by the Nicene Creed (as, conveniently, we do here at CF), we might find a higher number of "Christians."

It's a shameful day when people think that the Nicene Creed is the standard instead of God's Word. :(
 
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Zaac said:
nadroj1985 said:
It's a shameful day when people think that the Nicene Creed is the standard instead of God's Word. :(

And, of course, you get to define what is and what is not "God's Word," yes? (btw, you might want to be careful about the capital "W" there -- the Bible's usually talking about Jesus when it uses the capital letter)

The point here is that the proponents of the Nicene Creed believe at least as strongly as you do that the creed is indeed the correct interpretation of God's word.
 
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QuantaCura said:
It seems Liberalism is the most common religion in America. Create a God that conforms to your own personal opinions and sensibilities. "God accepts and affirms that I support abortion, love money more than anything, and fornicate every weekend." :sigh:

AIn't that the truth. :amen: Just shameful. :cry:
 
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Zaac said:
nadroj1985 said:
It's a shameful day when people think that the Nicene Creed is the standard instead of God's Word. :(

The Nicene Creed IS God's word as the Holy Spirit revealed it to the early church councils. (orthodox catholic theology 101)
 
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nadroj1985 said:
And, of course, you get to define what is and what is not "God's Word," yes?

Ummm. I don't work for Barna so I didn't make the definition. ;)
(btw, you might want to be careful about the capital "W" there -- the Bible's usually talking about Jesus when it uses the capital letter)

I'm talking about Jesus too. :D

The point here is that the proponents of the Nicene Creed believe at least as strongly as you do that the creed is indeed the correct interpretation of God's word.

I'm sure they do. But it is not to replace good old fashioned going to God in prayer about HIS WORD that is to be our standard.
 
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john23237 said:
Zaac said:
The Nicene Creed IS God's word as the Holy Spirit revealed it to the early church councils. (orthodox catholic theology 101)

Oh stop. God inspirationally gave HIS WORD and it is captured in His Holy Bible. No additions needed. Folks better stop looking to creeds and look to God's Word because as is the case today, people start using creeds as the standard instead of God's Word.

God didn't need anyone to improve upon what He says, but churches continue to vainly try.
 
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Zaac said:
john23237 said:
Oh stop. God inspirationally gave HIS WORD and it is captured in His Holy Bible. No additions needed. Folks better stop looking to creeds and look to God's Word because as is the case today, people start using creeds as the standard instead of God's Word.

God didn't need anyone to improve upon what He says, but churches continue to vainly try.

Oh, brother. The early church councils that wrote the creeds are the same councils that decided which books were and which books were not to be included in the Holy Bible. Did the Holy Spirit guide them in one matter but not the other?
 
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Zaac, I guess you have to work harder in your mission, or accept that most people on this planet and in this country are still trying to understand religious concepts. Surely, if they are remiss according to your beliefs, the fact that they are trying should be somewhat comforting.
 
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john23237 said:
Zaac said:
Oh, brother. The early church councils that wrote the creeds are the same councils that decided which books were and which books were not to be included in the Holy Bible. Did the Holy Spirit guide them in one matter but not the other?

I didn't say that God didn't guide them. :) But it needs to be made abundantly clear. The BIBLE is God's inspired word, not the Nicene Creed.
 
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QuantaCura said:
It seems Liberalism is the most common religion in America. Create a God that conforms to your own personal opinions and sensibilities. "God accepts and affirms that I support abortion, love money more than anything, and fornicate every weekend." :sigh:
Liberalism isn't a religion.

Most people aren't liberal or conservative but a combination. Conservative = you agree with the way society works now. Liberal = you want to change it somehow. Instead pro-lifers are liberal in this aspect. Sorry. You lose.
 
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QuantaCura said:
It seems Liberalism is the most common religion in America. Create a God that conforms to your own personal opinions and sensibilities. "God accepts and affirms that I support abortion, love money more than anything, and fornicate every weekend." :sigh:

The love of money transcends left and right wing; fornication also transcends both wings, just some try to justify it, others hide it, others embrace it. As for abortion...I have yet to hear someone say that God supports it; instead, I hear that it can be a necassary evil.

Liberalism isn't a religion.

Most people aren't liberal or conservative but a combination. Conservative = you agree with the way society works now. Liberal = you want to change it somehow. Instead pro-lifers are liberal in this aspect. Sorry. You lose.

Quite true. But that means that those who want to change the current system of money above lives are also liberal. :doh:

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The Nicene Creed IS God's word as the Holy Spirit revealed it to the early church councils. (orthodox catholic theology 101)

It's too bad this topic could not be discussed without Catholic bashing and anything-farther-left-than-moderate-right-wing bashing :doh:
 
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So if I understand it correct, ya'll are upset because the majority may be Christian, they aren't the "right type" of Christian? (I guess implying by some that they aren't REALLY Christian at all)

Yet isn't I Cor 12-14 about how we are all DIFFERENT, and form different parts of the body with Different gifts. If we find that people have DIFFERENT views and different ideas within Christianity, shouldn't that be cause for rejoicing that the many gifts and parts of the body of Christ are present? True, it may be a bit harder to ram through laws creating a theocratic state after one's own biblical interpretation, but I remember something about Christians being the salt which brings out the flavor, not the bucket of hot sauce that obliterates it.
 
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mpshiel said:
but I remember something about Christians being the salt which brings out the flavor, not the bucket of hot sauce that obliterates it.

I believe that you are thinking of the word "salt" in a different context than it was originally intended.



[font=Arial,Helvetica]Christian salt. I believe Jesus' message about our being the salt of the earth means that our very lives–the way that we think, act, and speak–is the salt that the world needs. We are the "Christian salt." What is the Christian salt's impact in the world?[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]We are essential for "muscle movement." "Christian salt" enables the world to move smoothly in the right direction and in the right way. Without it, there is lack of coordination–disorder, mayhem, lawlessness, etc.[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]We are vital for the digestive tract. "Christian salt" helps the world digest the life-saving truth of God's Word. The nutrients of the Word of God feeds and strengthens the world.[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]We are crucial for the transmission of messages. "Christian salt" is imperative for the delivery of the message God has for the world. In addition to the literal Word of God, the examples we set by the way we live clarifies that message.[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]We are evident in the "blood, sweat and tears". Just as in a physical body, blood, sweat, and tears are evidence of life. So, too, "Christian salt" will be found in the "blood, sweat, and tears" of the world. In other words, where there is life and goodness, there is evidence of Christ's impact through His followers.[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]We are needed most in "hotter climates". The need for "Christian salt" increases with temptation and sin. The more that wickedness increases in the world, the greater the need for "Christian salt." It is interesting to note that, in the parts of the world where persecution is at its most devastating, the Christian faith is multiplying by leaps and bounds despite all efforts to stifle it.[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]Our chronic failure causes great damage. Chronic deprivation of "Christian salt" causes loss of weight (dwindling Christianity in the world), loss of appetite (the world's lack of interest in God and His Word), nausea (the world's rejection of God and His Word), and muscular cramps (disorder, conflict, and wickedness in the world). Eventually, lack of "Christian salt" leads to stunted growth–a body or world that can never reach full health and maturity.[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]We have so many uses. Just like the physical salt, "Christian salt" can serve endless purposes. We can be a binder (bringing others to a relationship with Jesus Christ), a texturizer (adding a righteous flavor to this sinful world), and a fermentation agent (helping to preserve souls from rotting eternally in Hell).[/font]
  • [font=Arial,Helvetica]We are of value. "Christian salt" is absolutely vital to this world. Surely, we are here for a purpose–to worship God and to lead others to Him. That makes us of exceedingly great value.[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica]As Jesus Christ's followers, we are the salt of the earth–we are the "Christian salt" that the world so desperately needs. Let us always remember to live accordingly, and never lose our saltiness.[/font]

In the Old Testament, salt was used to make incense [size=-1](Exodus 30:35)[/size], for grain offerings [size=-1](Leviticus 2:13)[/size], in burnt offerings [size=-1](Ezekiel 43:24)[/size], and in everlasting covenants [size=-1](Numbers 18:19; 2 Chronicles 13:5)[/size]. Salt was a necessary supply for the Old Testament priests [size=-1](Ezra 6:9; Ezra 7:21-22)[/size]. It was used as a seasoning [size=-1](Job 6:6)[/size] and as an antiseptic for newborns [size=-1](Ezekiel 16:4)[/size]. Elisha purified the bad water at Jericho with salt [size=-1](2 Kings 2:20-21)[/size]. In the New Testament, Jesus said His followers were the "salt of the earth" and that their saltiness could be lost [size=-1](Matthew 5:13; Mark 9:50; Luke 14:34)[/size]. Paul instructed the Colossians that their conversation was to be "seasoned with salt" [size=-1](Colossians 4:6)[/size].


[font=Arial,Helvetica]Why was salt of such importance in the scriptures? Why did Jesus compare people to salt . . . what on earth could the two have in common? To find the answer, I did some research about salt. I was amazed at what I learned.
[font=Arial,Helvetica]Salt's impact in the body. In the human body, salt is essential for muscle movement, including that of the heart. In addition, it is necessary for the digestive tract to function properly. Salt is crucial for the transmission of messages by the nerve cells, and it regulates osmotic pressure and the movement of fluid to and from the cell. Salt is found in blood, sweat, and tears. Hotter climates increase the need for salt consumption. Chronic deprivation of salt causes loss of weight, loss of appetite, nausea, muscular cramps, and it stunts growth.[/font]

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