"Why should Christians support anything that they feel is morally wrong and a sin?"

I don't think people are supporting a sin by supporting a person's right to do it. Basically the question comes off as why support free will if that free will leasd to sin? I think people should let others have freedom as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. My support is really for their free will and not their thoughts or actions. But of course there are many that will disagree with this assessment.

Because defending liberty means standing up for people you don't agree with when there is a larger issue involved? Because some day they may not be in the driver's seat and they would hope that people like me would treat them with the kind of thoughtful consideration they refuse to show others?

Yes, and yes!

Also note that not banning or not seeking the banning of something does not equal endorsement. This is a very important thing to realize.

Spinrad said:

Because they are American? Because they recognize that freedom for all is as important to them than to those they dissagree with, and people like me will not hesitate to shove their lack of respect for liberty in their faces when the other shoe drops? Because defending liberty means standing up for people you don't agree with when there is a larger issue involved? Because some day they may not be in the driver's seat and they would hope that people like me would treat them with the kind of thoughtful consideration they refuse to show others?

No reason, really.

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Interesting denunciation... was there a question involved? Is there a specific topic?

The question is misleading. Support is does not equal tolerate does not equal accept does not equal forbid. Obviously christians cannot support what they feel is morally wrong. No one else would either. Would equal rights advocates support those who would deny others rights? Of course not. But not supporting does not necessitate taking away their say or their rights or their liberty.

SackLunch said:

Why should we Christians step aside while homosexuals parade around cities, forcing their "gay pride you'd better accept my abberant lifestyle" attitudes? Why do WE CHRISTIANS have to take a back seat to all of this?

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Because you have no right to tell another person what they can and cannot do just because of your faith.

SackLunch said:

This was a question originally proposed by another poster in the closed thread regarding God cutting off a person's soul for practicing homosexuality. The point the poster was trying to make is this, I believe: Why should Christians become doormats and accept lifestyles and immorality that clearly goes against God's Word?

Why should we Christians step aside while homosexuals parade around cities, forcing their "gay pride you'd better accept my abberant lifestyle" attitudes? Why do WE CHRISTIANS have to take a back seat to all of this?

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No one is forcing you to take a backseat to anything.

Example: I don't do drugs. I do support the legalization of some drugs. I believe drug use to be non-productive and idiotic at best. I support the legalization of some drugs because I don't believe there is a valid reason to prevent an adult from smoking marijuana in their own home. If restrictions are put on it the same as alcohol - then I don't have the right to prevent adults from being stupid.

Just because I support the legality of it doesn't mean I'd be allowing pot smokers to walk all over me. The still can't smoke in my house. I don't have to associate with people who do it. I don't have to shop at stores that sell it. The pot smokers exist is their space and I am in mine.

We compromise because we share this world with people who are different from us.

I don't like St. Paddy Day parades. People here get disgustingly drunk - so I just don't go to the parades. I don't seek out other people to annoy me.
You allow homosexuals to bother you. To an extent that is extreme and troublesome.

You have a stereotypical view of those who are not heterosexual and you get wound up over it. What is wrong with saying, "I disagree with your choices but you have the right to make them?".

Spinrad said:

"Why should Christians support anything that they feel is morally wrong and a sin?"
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If that is your question and that is as specific as you want it addressed, then I answer that it's a little thing called integrity.

1 Chronicles 29:16-18
16 O LORD our God, as for all this abundance that we have provided for building you a temple for your Holy Name, it comes from your hand, and all of it belongs to you. 17 I know, my God, that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity. All these things have I given willingly and with honest intent. And now I have seen with joy how willingly your people who are here have given to you. 18 O LORD, God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Israel, keep this desire in the hearts of your people forever, and keep their hearts loyal to you.

For some of us, that is something to live by or die for.

I was going to answer kdet's question as posed in the now closed thread (last post in the thread) by quoting an excerpt from one of my posts in another thread:

beechy said:

Assuming you'd vote against gay marriage, while I respect your right to vote as you choose and according to principles formed through what you believe to be God granted discernment, I am also grateful for Constitutional provisions which circumscribe the reach of these beliefs. For where I disagree with your position, I want to be able to live within the bounds I understand to have been proscribed through my own relationship with God and the Bible. It is true that God is not subject to the Constitution, but in a world where people have varied beliefs about the nature of God's will, I'm glad we have a system of government that attempts to deal with these differences when they occur.

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Phred said:

Because you have no right to tell another person what they can and cannot do just because of your faith.

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Ditto, only replace faith with ideology.

If that is your question and that is as specific as you want it addressed, then I answer that it's a little thing called integrity.

I think you misunderstand. The question isn't why christians should act in harmony with their beliefs. The question is what right do christians have to deny the rights of others. The answer is none. Christians don't have that right.

FadingWhispers3 said:

If that is your question and that is as specific as you want it addressed, then I answer that it's a little thing called integrity.

I think you misunderstand. The question isn't why christians should act in harmony with their beliefs. The question is why right do christians have to deny the rights of others. The answer is none. Christians don't have that right.

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You should define rights and deny. I seem to see a fallacy in the use of "right".
And you are incorrect. If it doesn't violate the Constitution and the citizens wish for something moral or immoral to be law or not law, then America is set to allow for that and it is indeed the citizens' right to do so. Look up Rule by Consent and Constitutional Democratic Republic.

ChristianCenturion said:

Ditto, only replace faith with ideology.

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So apply that to the topic. I'm not suggesting you marry a homosexual. You're telling me I can't.

ChristianCenturion said:

You should define rights and deny. I seem to see a fallacy in the use of "right".
And you are incorrect. If it doesn't violate the Constitution and the citizens wish for something moral or immoral to be law or not law, then America is set to allow for that and it is indeed the citizens' right to do so. Look up Rule by Consent and Constitutional Democratic Republic.

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Look up Tyranny of the Majority.

And I'm sorry CC... but the constitution guarantees citizens equal rights and protections. (14th amendment) You can't just say that because a person is gay they no longer qualify as citizens.

And you are incorrect. If it doesn't violate the Constitution and the citizens wish for something moral or immoral to be law or not law, then America is set to allow for that and it is indeed the citizens' right to do so. Look up Rule by Consent and Constitutional Democratic Republic.

I think you misunderstand. I am not saying that any christians are now violating the rights of others OR that not granting gay marriage denies any rights. I am saying that christians don't have the right to deny others rights. Do you not agree?

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So apply that to the topic. I'm not suggesting you marry a homosexual. You're telling me I can't.

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There is a difference in one's ability to marry and the government recognizing it or the citizen promoting it via incentives. Your statement is false. And to show further that your assertion or premise is conflicted. Might I point out that marrying your first cousin is allowable according to the Bible, but not with the government. Also the Bible doesn't condemn polygamy and yet the government (ours anyway) doesn't recognize that either. To top it off, Christian teaching reflects divorce as not being good and yet we have no fault divorce. So if your premise was that Christianity is using the government to enforce its religious tenets, then you have some major inconsistencies to resolve concerning marriage. If it is Christians that you wish to accuse, well then the definition and qualifications of the accused needs to be resolved and you would require proof that I see as unobtainable.

Spinrad said:

Because they are American? Because they recognize that freedom for all is as important to them than to those they dissagree with, and people like me will not hesitate to shove their lack of respect for liberty in their faces when the other shoe drops? Because defending liberty means standing up for people you don't agree with when there is a larger issue involved? Because some day they may not be in the driver's seat and they would hope that people like me would treat them with the kind of thoughtful consideration they refuse to show others?

No reason, really.

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God gave people the ability to choose weather or not to accept the Lords salvation. He wanted people to make the right choice on their own.

Here is a good website to visit.

http://www.scripturessay.com/ch35.html


-cw