What Does God Say to Unbelievers Who Believe in Evolution?

so are creationist liars who are refuted time and time again and think that their own interpretation of scripture is more important than what would be God's clear message by what he created...

you ignoramus

SackLunch said:

What does God say to nonbelievers about the Creation verses Evolution debate? Does the Bible mention it? Yes, it does.

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse..."

In a nutshell, God says that men who say there is no creator God are without excuse, because He has made created things clearly visible. The complexity of all of Creation and how it is all held together can only be attributed to a holy, all-powerful, omnipotent God.

"Yeah, but what about the Science?" you ask. Is human science more powerful than God? Is human wisdom greater than the wisdom of God? Should we choose the uncertainty of human scientific research over the absolute certainty of God as He spells out Creation in the Bible?

Ambiogenesis...evolution...they who choose to deny God through His creation are without excuse.

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The Fraternal Order Of the Sacred Bretheren condemns you.

1. What's 'ambiogenisis'?

2. You're assuming scripture is true

3. You're assuming your interpretation of that verse is accurate. Personally, I don't think that verse is talking about the mechanism of creation at all, but rather about ultimate responsibility.

4. If our choice is the unthinking acceptance of one particular interpretation of one particular holy book on the whole of the planet or looking at the evidence and using that to help us determine our models of reality, then history teaches us the former is a recipe for trouble.

5. It is precisely because I have examined the character of God revealed through His creation that I realize that a literal interpretation of Genisis is in error. I agree, there's no excuse for ignorance pretending to be holiness.

God doesn't say anything to unbelievers. That's what makes us unbelievers. Duh!

As usual, the root of creationism is the stuff in the OP and the polarization and subsequent attempt at emotionalizing the issue of creationism versus science (into Christianity versus atheism, of course). This is what happens, like how SackLunch got sacked in previous threads with refutations he ignored completely, when creationists realize the evidence is not on their side and all they can do is make vague, illogical threats.

See, the thing is that 1) for us, the Bible is a man-made work, so citing it is meaningless, and 2) God doesn't exist, so he really can't do anything to us that the purple-polka-dot supercalifragilistic rhinobee can't do. What's the point of this topic again?

I knew this verse would come in handy today

2 Peter 3:5
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of G-d the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.

G-d bless,
sc

SackLunch said:

What does God say to nonbelievers about the Creation verses Evolution debate? Does the Bible mention it? Yes, it does.

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse..."

In a nutshell, God says that men who say there is no creator God are without excuse, because He has made created things clearly visible. The complexity of all of Creation and how it is all held together can only be attributed to a holy, all-powerful, omnipotent God.

"Yeah, but what about the Science?" you ask. Is human science more powerful than God? Is human wisdom greater than the wisdom of God? Should we choose the uncertainty of human scientific research over the absolute certainty of God as He spells out Creation in the Bible?

Ambiogenesis...evolution...they who choose to deny God through His creation are without excuse.

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If there's one thing I love being preached at about, it's for having an IQ higher than a walnut.

Richard (still wondering what God had against 4400 genera of brachiopods...)

SackLunch said:

Ambiogenesis...evolution...they who choose to deny God through His creation are without excuse.

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I do not feel like I need an excuse.

sc4s2cg said:

I knew this verse would come in handy today

2 Peter 3:5
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of G-d the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.

G-d bless,
sc

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And I bet you do not understand it. Like most run off the mill creationists.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
2 the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
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SackLunch said:

What does God say to nonbelievers about the Creation verses Evolution debate?

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"Welcome to heaven. You're the only ones with common sense. Press this button for room service."

Lord Emsworth said:

And I bet you do not understand it. Like most run off the mill creationists.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
2 the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
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In my quote, they were talking about the leaders at the time btw And you're right. I dont understand it as Im just starting to learn the Bible.

And in the NKJV:
Genesis 1: 1-2
In the beginning G-d created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; an darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of G-d was hovering over the face of the waters.

"The two words without form...void express on concept-chaos. The earth had been reduced to this state (Jer. 4:23); it was not the way G-d had first created it (Is 45:18). Darkness is a potent biblical symbol of evil and wrong (Jer 3:5; Ps. 143:3; Is. 8:22; John 3:19). The deeo us a term for the sevret places of the waters (see also [Gen.] 7:11); this term sounds enough like the name of the Babylonian goddes Tiamat to remind the ancient reader of the Babylonian story of creation to which this story stands in dramatic contrast. All these images together portray chaos, disaster, and devastation. From this portrait of utter ruin, G-d brought an orderly creation. The Spirit of G-d was hovering like a mother stork might hover over her nest-a porten of life to come from the dark, murky depths of the chaos below (the Spirit is described as a dove in Matt. 3:16)."

G-d bless,
sc
G-d bless,
sc

SackLunch said:

What does God say to Unbelievers Who Believe in Evolution?

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The same thing he says to Christians who don't have a problem with evolution: "Congradulations on having an ounce of intelligence."

SackLunch said:

What does God say to nonbelievers about the Creation verses Evolution debate? Does the Bible mention it? Yes, it does.

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse..."

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INVISIBLE? What is Paul really talking about? do you know/ It certainly does notmake an sense to me.

SackLunch said:

In a nutshell, God says that men who say there is no creator God are without excuse, because He has made created things clearly visible. The complexity of all of Creation and how it is all held together can only be attributed to a holy, all-powerful, omnipotent God.

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NOT so, things aren't always VISIBLE. There certainly aren't visible to the naked eye. Thas is why have INSTRUMENTS!

SackLunch said:

"Yeah, but what about the Science?" you ask. Is human science more powerful than God? Is human wisdom greater than the wisdom of God? Should we choose the uncertainty of human scientific research over the absolute certainty of God as He spells out Creation in the Bible?

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Science is miore true than the Bible. The Bible syas that the earth is flat.

sc4s2cg said:

In my quote, they were talking about the leaders at the time btw And you're right. I dont understand it as Im just starting to learn the Bible.

And in the NKJV:
Genesis 1: 1-2
In the beginning G-d created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; an darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of G-d was hovering over the face of the waters.

"The two words without form...void express on concept-chaos. The earth had been reduced to this state (Jer. 4:23); it was not the way G-d had first created it (Is 45:18). Darkness is a potent biblical symbol of evil and wrong (Jer 3:5; Ps. 143:3; Is. 8:22; John 3:19). The deeo us a term for the sevret places of the waters (see also [Gen.] 7:11); this term sounds enough like the name of the Babylonian goddes Tiamat to remind the ancient reader of the Babylonian story of creation to which this story stands in dramatic contrast. All these images together portray chaos, disaster, and devastation. From this portrait of utter ruin, G-d brought an orderly creation. The Spirit of G-d was hovering like a mother stork might hover over her nest-a porten of life to come from the dark, murky depths of the chaos below (the Spirit is described as a dove in Matt. 3:16)."

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That commentary is not bad, and I would say I have to basically agree. What exists here in this Genesis verse (1:2) is merely a watery chaos. It is only after that that Creation begins. Including that of the earth. But first the heavens

2 Peter 3
5 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago ...​

This maps to Genesis 1:6-7

6 And God said, ‘Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.’ 7 So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. 8 God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day​

And then

2 Peter 3
5 ... and an earth was formed out of water and by means of water,​

Which maps to Gen 1:9-10

9 And God said, ‘Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.’ And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.​

SackLunch said:

What does God say to nonbelievers about the Creation verses Evolution debate? Does the Bible mention it? Yes, it does.

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse..."

In a nutshell, God says that men who say there is no creator God are without excuse, because He has made created things clearly visible. The complexity of all of Creation and how it is all held together can only be attributed to a holy, all-powerful, omnipotent God.

"Yeah, but what about the Science?" you ask. Is human science more powerful than God? Is human wisdom greater than the wisdom of God? Should we choose the uncertainty of human scientific research over the absolute certainty of God as He spells out Creation in the Bible?

Ambiogenesis...evolution...they who choose to deny God through His creation are without excuse.

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I am a Christian, and a Creationist, but I do not understand your antagonism towards non-believers. Honestly, you sound as if you think you will be standing beside our Lord when he judges the unsaved, nodding in full agreement, "Yes, Lord, I tried to tell them! Hee! Hee! Now they are finally going to get it, just like I told them they would."

God will not have one word to say about those who believe in Evolution. He will only be concerned with if they believed in Jesus.

More importantly, He will judge Christians based on our works. (No, I did not say our salvation was based on works!) We can choose to argue and fight with non-believers, or we can show them Christ in our lives.

You will never convince an Evolutionist that he is wrong, but you may be able to show him that the love of Christ brings peace and joy beyond human comprehension. Once convinced of this, the Evolutionist will be shown the truth through the Holy Spirit.

We are not called to prove Creation. We are called to love one another, and to spread the Gospel. The Gospel is not that God created, but that God so loved...You know the rest.

Love in Christ,
Lisa

In a nutshell, God says that men who say there is no creator God are without excuse, because He has made created things clearly visible. The complexity of all of Creation and how it is all held together can only be attributed to a holy, all-powerful, omnipotent God.

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God should understand that this argument suffers from the "affirmation of the consequence" fallacy.

In a nutshell, the fallacy takes this form:

A implies B
B
Therefore A

Rain implies wet road
Wet road
Therefore rain

The wet road could have instead been from a flood, or a dog relieving himself. C'mon, wouldn't a god-like being know the basics of boolean logic? Is this a good excuse for non-belief?

God implies IC systems
IC systems
Therefore God

IC systems can develop through evolution. But the point is, if the consequent is true, the antecedent isn't necessarily true.

"Yeah, but what about the Science?" you ask. Is human science more powerful than God? Is human wisdom greater than the wisdom of God? Should we choose the uncertainty of human scientific research over the absolute certainty of God as He spells out Creation in the Bible?

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Hah!

Lisa0315 said:

I am a Christian, and a Creationist, but I do not understand your antagonism towards non-believers. Honestly, you sound as if you think you will be standing beside our Lord when he judges the unsaved, nodding in full agreement, "Yes, Lord, I tried to tell them! Hee! Hee! Now they are finally going to get it, just like I told them they would."

God will not have one word to say about those who believe in Evolution. He will only be concerned with if they believed in Jesus.

More importantly, He will judge Christians based on our works. (No, I did not say our salvation was based on works!) We can choose to argue and fight with non-believers, or we can show them Christ in our lives.

You will never convince an Evolutionist that he is wrong, but you may be able to show him that the love of Christ brings peace and joy beyond human comprehension. Once convinced of this, the Evolutionist will be shown the truth through the Holy Spirit.

We are not called to prove Creation. We are called to love one another, and to spread the Gospel. The Gospel is not that God created, but that God so loved...You know the rest.

Love in Christ,
Lisa

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I just want to say this is a wonderful post. Imagine what would be the outcome if Creationists continue to focus on things like a Young Earth, slowing light, Dino's and Humans living together, a Global Flood, and Special Creation as tenets of the Christian faith.

How many geologists, biologists, physicists, paleotologists, and other scientists would be turned off of the message of Jesus because these beliefs, which are not a core part of Christianity, are told to be true?

Lisa0315 said:

You will never convince an Evolutionist that he is wrong

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I've agreed with everything you've said so far, except that one little line. That is really untrue, to convince an "Evolutionist" that Evolution is false, just use actual evidence, not all this pseudo-science I see around. Many things that were "known" in science were proven wrong by evidence, the same is true for Evolution.