Dinosaurs in the Bible

MQTA · Jul 26, 2005

The Value of [size=+3]p[/size]

Our first example concerns the value of π (pronounced as Pie, normally spelled as Pi). π is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. It is an irrational number whose value is represented by an infinite sequence of numbers of which the first six numbers are 3.14159. What does the Bible say about the value of π?

I Kings 7:23-26 (II Chronicles 4:2-5)
23Then he made the molten sea; it was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high. A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely. 24Under its brim were panels all around it, each of ten cubits, surrounding the sea; there were two rows of panels, cast when it was cast. 25It stood on twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east; the sea was set on them. The hindquarters of each were towards the inside. 26It's thickness was a handbreadth; its brim was made like the brim of a cup, like the flower of a lily; it held two thousand baths.

ImmortalTechnique · Jul 26, 2005

well, we don't really know who wrote most of the Old Testament, but whoever wrote
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
pi=3

MQTA · Jul 26, 2005

Nobody knows what the molten sea was for. It could be a container for water used in various rituals. [1] Whatever it is, based on the description given above, the drawing below (not drawn to scale) shows what the molten sea could have looked like:

It is quite obvious that the passage above (verse 23) was talking about the dimensions on the top of the molten sea. Since the diameter is 10 cubits ("10 cubits from brim to brim") and its circumference is 30 cubits ("A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely"), the value of π as defined by the passage above is 30/10 or exactly 3! This value is of course wrong and any mathematical calculation that uses 3 as π will produce gravely erroneous results. Obviously 3.0 compared to 3.14159... is gravely inaccurate.

MC1171611 · Jul 26, 2005

http://www.learnthebible.org/molten_sea_value_of_pi.htm

ImmortalTechnique · Jul 26, 2005

yes, that is a great ad hoc explanation (keeping the bible in line with reality despite what it clearly says)... but that is only one of the things that the bible is wrong about

MC1171611 · Jul 26, 2005

ImmortalTechnique said:
yes, that is a great ad hoc explanation (keeping the bible in line with reality despite what it clearly says)... but that is only one of the things that the bible is wrong about

Actually, it's pretty clear and simple. Now, what were the other "wrong things" in the Bible?

nvxplorer · Jul 26, 2005

Pie is ancient...the Bible is ancient...put it together.

nvxplorer · Jul 26, 2005

MC1171611 said:
Actually, it's pretty clear and simple. Now, what were the other "wrong things" in the Bible?

How 'bout the four-legged insects?

ImmortalTechnique · Jul 26, 2005

or the bat birds? or the worldwide flood that never happened? or talking snakes? or jesus saying that a seed has to die before it can grow new life?

Lord Emsworth · Jul 26, 2005

nvxplorer said:
How 'bout the four-legged insects?

Psst ... IIRC he is a KJVer. So it is fowls.

Lord Emsworth · Jul 26, 2005

MC1171611 said:
http://www.learnthebible.org/molten_sea_value_of_pi.htm

Let me get this straight ... 10 cubits in diameter including brim and 30 cubits circumference roundabout sans brim, correct?

Mechanical Bliss · Jul 26, 2005

Paleontological evidence trumps mangled interpretations of a myth written by the ignorant and unscientific in order to make up the fantasy that dinosaurs and humans co-existed every time, so any discussion from this angle is pointless.

MQTA · Jul 26, 2005

ImmortalTechnique said:
or the bat birds? or the worldwide flood that never happened? or talking snakes? or jesus saying that a seed has to die before it can grow new life?

I can't recall seeing or hearing about mountains moving.

[bible]matthew 17:20[/bible]

MQTA · Jul 26, 2005

MQTA said:
I can't recall seeing or hearing about mountains moving.

Matthew 17:20And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

[BIBLE]mark 11:23[/BIBLE]

Herman Hedning · Jul 26, 2005

WarriorAngel said:
In the original Hebrew language?

Latin is not Hebrew last I checked.

Okidoki, some Hebrew exegesis then. I conveniently snipped a forum post from here that pretty much sums up my opinion as well.

Behemah is used 51 times in the Bible. All of the times outside of Job that the words use can be determined, it is used in reference to an ungulate - an animal that nurses its young. (The reference usually is to a cow.)
"16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together."

Well, force here is the Hebrew word 'own which Strong gives as "generative power" amongst other translations and "navel" can actually be read as muscles or sinews - basically the musculature of the abdomen.

He "moveth" his "tail" like a cedar. The Hebrew word which moveth translates is Chaphets which is used 75 times in the old testament. In every case it is translated as delights, favors, takes pleasure in etc - except in this one verse where it becomes "bends" or "moves" depending on the translation you read. The Greek Septuagint translates it as "Histemi" - to stand, especially to stand firm or steadfastly or with authority.

Two verses emphasising the "generative power" of behemoth, the sinews of his testicles, the force in his belly, and his delight in his "tail" like a cedar tree. Now what could "tail" (zanab) mean here? When it is used elsewhere in the old testament it certainly does refer to a "tail" and doesn't seem to have any slang meaning. Except, however, that the root of "zanab" is related to "zanah", a harlot, so we certainly cannot exclude a sexual connotation. Of course, "tail" is used as a slang term for penis and/or harlot in many Indo-European languages.

sc4s2cg · Jul 26, 2005

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dinosaurs.asp

G-d bless,
sc

tuchas · Jul 26, 2005

This passage directly comes from that noted biologist and philologist Mr Dino.

WarriorAngel said:
The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, its spelled correctlyat least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.

I'm sorry but the Jewish Bible does not contain the words lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs and birds. IT is written in hebrew.

as far as these other animals

Behomoth = a cow A large stupid animal
Liviathan = a whale or a very big fish

[5] 'WHALES'
8577. tanniyn, tan-neen'; or tanniym (Ezek. 29 : 3), tan-neem'; intens. from the same as H8565; a marine or land monster, i.e. sea-serpent or jackal:--dragon, sea-monster, serpent, whale.

8565. tan, tan; from an unused root prob. mean. to elongate; a monster (as preternaturally formed), i.e. a sea-serpent (or other huge marine animal); also a jackal (or other hideous land animal):--dragon, whale. Comp. H8577.

tuchas · Jul 26, 2005

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MQTA said:
I can't recall seeing or hearing about mountains moving.

Indeed they do at rates of about a centimeter to an inch a year

tuchas · Jul 26, 2005

Before we leave the topic of fire, there are two more notes you may find interesting:

The history of every culture is filled with stories of fire-breathing dragons. If you think about it, in all the past ages wouldnt someone have made up a story of a fire-breathing lion or something? Nobody did because the dragon stories are based on truth, and only dragons breathed fire.

Fire uses up a lot of energy and you need both combustable material and oxygen. In order for an animal to actually breathe out fire it needs to consume prodigious quantities of fuel and for what? to impress the neighbors? There is an more rational explaination and that is the condensation from your breath on a cold day. Large animals still would be seen as sending out smoke from their nostrils. ONLY MAMMALS COULD DO THIS!

There were no dinosaurs around except for the birds during the age of mammals. They have been gone for 65 million years. Have you ever wondered why no preacher or religious authority ever came up with this dinosaur idea before SCIENTISTS discovered the dinosaurs?

MC1171611 · Jul 26, 2005

tuchas said:
[/list]Fire uses up a lot of energy and you need both combustable material and oxygen. In order for an animal to actually breathe out fire it needs to consume prodigious quantities of fuel and for what? to impress the neighbors? There is an more rational explaination and that is the condensation from your breath on a cold day. Large animals still would be seen as sending out smoke from their nostrils. ONLY MAMMALS COULD DO THIS!

There were no dinosaurs around except for the birds during the age of mammals. They have been gone for 65 million years. Have you ever wondered why no preacher or religious authority ever came up with this dinosaur idea before SCIENTISTS discovered the dinosaurs?

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

At which point in the big Dino's "evolution" into a bird did he evolve a heart with another chamber? What about his lung structure? Maybe, since birds wings are made from the same stuff as my fingernails, they evolved from me! The "geologic column" is found nowhere in the world other than Public School textbooks; scientists don't really know if there was an age of dinos.

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