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RightWingGirl said:
I do think Creation should be taught in schools as a theory, just like evolution.

As a "theory" in the common sense of that word, fine with me (although it's a bit questionable whether unsupported assertions deserve much time in school). As a scientific theory, no. Unless you want to admit and/or endorse teachers lying to their students.

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what would happen if we gave everybody both sides and let them choose for themselves? :scratch:

They might choose biblical creation where religion is concerned, but if they think scientifically, they'll accept evolution. Period. :D

(Alternative: Do things like they are done here in Germany. Teach whatever you want, even creationism, in religion class - we have those, optional and sponsored by the churches - and teach evolution and other proper science in science classes. Works well over here...)
 
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Stuco said:
Does science overwhelmingly reject creationism?

The very concept of creationism, specifically biblical creationism, with the possible exception of "creation by aliens", is unscientific. A supernatural entity can't be observed in our natural universe by us natural being with our natural observational methods. Indeed, if it could be observed, it would be natural per definitionem.

At least the legendary aliens who, according to some, created earthly life could possibly be observed/examined if they came back for coffee.
 
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RightWingGirl said:
By the by, you still have no missing link. you have 1---------9999, but you need the middle, guys.

Define what you would accept as a missing link. In other words, how should a missing link look like in your book?
 
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RightWingGirl said:
By the by. Evolution used to say MAn came from Apes, now it's changed. Why? 'cause it is a theory. Maybe a right theory in your opinion, but it changes. it is not established fact.

1. Evolutionary theory never claimed that "man came from apes". Upholding this ludicrous claim will not exactly earn you credibility. Just a friendly hint.

2. Yes, science changes every so often. When an error is detected (after all, scientists are humans too - sooner or later they'll make a mistake), it is corrected, and science grows stronger. Now, where do you think is the problem?
 
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RightWingGirl said:
I do think Creation should be taught in schools as a theory, just like evolution.

Creationism is not a valid scientific theory like evolution is. To teach them on equal footing would be dishonest and unscientific.

hey, Y'all, what would happen if we gave everybody both sides and let them choose for themselves? :scratch:

Should we teach Dalton's notion that atoms have tiny hooks on them and that is how chemical bonding occurs as a valid scientific theory as well? Why or why not?

It would certainly save students a lot of trouble studying for their chemistry exam if all they had to do was answer "hooks" to every question. It would be a lot easier to learn and understand than those newfangled electrons and what not.
 
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Mechanical Bliss said:
Creationism is not a valid scientific theory like evolution is. To teach them on equal footing would be dishonest and unscientific.
Yeah, but it would be SO easy to pass the Creationist section of the class
Quiz
1- How did the universe come into being?
2- How was the earth formed?
3- How was the sun formed?
4- How was the moon formed?
5- How did Homo Sapiens come to be?
etc etc etc
There's only one answer for all of the above questions.
I could ACE this!
^_^
 
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TheBear said:
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Honestly, when it comes to some YEC's arguing their case for a young earth, it's as if all logic and reasoning is discarded, in their zeal to defend an undefendable interpretation of scripture. I have a lot more respect for those who just say that they believe the earth is young because that's the way they were taught from the Bible and their church, and leave it at that.

But the more I read these threads, the more disgusted I get with all the circular reasoning, tap-dancing, deceptive tactics, half-truths, and evasiveness of so-called Christians.


The moon is made of cheese.

That's my religious belief. Therefore, it should be taught in schools along side scientific descriptions of the moon, and let the children decide for themselves.

That's what we're dealing with, folks. It's pathetic and sad.

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Sadly, Evolution has no evidence to support it. The Geologic Column is based ENTIRELY on circular reasoning. The vestigial organs turn out not to be the product of Evolution, since many of them are vital. The homology argument buys the farm because there are also analogous features, and the theory of Evolutionism is REQUIRED TO BE A FACT to tell whether a structure is homologous or analogous. The biogenetic law turns out to be disproven in 1874! C'mon, Evolutionists! Get with the program! Your faith has no evidence. Even Talk-origins admits the lack of links by pretending that fossilization is the exception. While this is true, it's also true that we have lots of fossils.
 
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Mechanical Bliss said:
Creationism is not a valid scientific theory like evolution is. To teach them on equal footing would be dishonest and unscientific.



Should we teach Dalton's notion that atoms have tiny hooks on them and that is how chemical bonding occurs as a valid scientific theory as well? Why or why not?

It would certainly save students a lot of trouble studying for their chemistry exam if all they had to do was answer "hooks" to every question. It would be a lot easier to learn and understand than those newfangled electrons and what not.

Lol (gasps for breath). If we were in a trial to see if someone was guilty and only the plantiff was allowed to present his case, that would not be a fair trial. Why should Evolutionism be exempt from careful examination of the evidence both for and against it?
 
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GodsSamus said:
The Geologic Column is based ENTIRELY on circular reasoning.

At this point, this can be considered a lie.

This error has been explained to you countless times on this forum, even recently. To make the same claim all over again as if it was both valid and never addressed is lying. You are wrong. Get over it.

You could get back to addressing all those evidence filled posts you have ignored on this forum because maybe if you did, you couldn't honestly say that there is "no evidence" for x or y.

If you want us to take you seriously, stop posting false statements and start addressing the evidence that has been so patiently presented to you more times than it should have been.
 
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GodsSamus said:
Lol (gasps for breath). If we were in a trial to see if someone was guilty and only the plantiff was allowed to present his case, that would not be a fair trial. Why should Evolutionism be exempt from careful examination of the evidence both for and against it?

Should we teach Dalton's notion that atoms have tiny hooks on them and that is how chemical bonding occurs as a valid scientific theory as well? Why or why not?
 
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GodsSamus said:
Sadly, Evolution has no evidence to support it. The Geologic Column is based ENTIRELY on circular reasoning. The vestigial organs turn out not to be the product of Evolution, since many of them are vital. The homology argument buys the farm because there are also analogous features, and the theory of Evolutionism is REQUIRED TO BE A FACT to tell whether a structure is homologous or analogous. The biogenetic law turns out to be disproven in 1874!
You seem to be saying an awful lot for someone who admits to ignorance regarding some very basic biological concepts
 
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Mechanical Bliss said:
At this point, this can be considered a lie.

This error has been explained to you countless times on this forum, even recently. To make the same claim all over again as if it was both valid and never addressed is lying. You are wrong. Get over it.

You could get back to addressing all those evidence filled posts you have ignored on this forum because maybe if you did, you couldn't honestly say that there is "no evidence" for x or y.

If you want us to take you seriously, stop posting false statements and start addressing the evidence that has been so patiently presented to you more times than it should have been.

I have YET to see one honest refutation. May I ask how the Geologic Column was erected years before radiometric dating. Their preconcieved ages were already determined (though it would change as the Earth grew "older").
 
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GodsSamus said:
BAd news. YOU'RE the one who's willingly ignorant. Honestly, I was wrong, and I admit it. YOu, however, don't believe in any evidence contradicting your religion.
Alright
Do it
Show me the evidence
Demonstrate to me how evolution is wrong
I only have two things to say before you do
1- Prepare to be refuted if your evidence isnt actual evidence. But hey, you shouldnt have anything to worry about, right? After all, this is the evidence that CLEARLY and EMPIRICALLY demonstrates that evolutionary theory is wrong
and
2- Please dont waste my time (or the time of others) with PRATTs

Put your evidence on the table and let's look at it
 
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TheBear said:
See what I mean, folks?

Based on the warped logic witnessed in this very thread, the moon is made of cheese. My theory is just as valid as any other explanation.
NO ITS NOT!
The bible clearly states that it is a LIGHT
Jeez, you evilutionists wont look at the evidence that's right in front of your face!11one!!!one11!

/joke
 
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Alright
Do it
Show me the evidence
Demonstrate to me how evolution is wrong
I only have two things to say before you do
1- Prepare to be refuted if your evidence isnt actual evidence. But hey, you shouldnt have anything to worry about, right? After all, this is the evidence that CLEARLY and EMPIRICALLY demonstrates that evolutionary theory is wrong
and
2- Please dont waste my time (or the time of others) with PRATTs

Put your evidence on the table and let's look at it

Ok.

1. Earth's magnetic field is caused by an electrical charge in the crust that would have melted the Earth in only 20,000 years.

2. We still have continents, which should have eroded flat after 14 million years, yet there are still fossils that have not been melted away.

3. The DNA in your body would be USELESS without the DNA decoder, which would be useless without the DNA. So how did they evolve?

4. http://www.trueorigin.org/geocolumn.asp
 
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