The Role of Women

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The role of women is washing dishes, doing the laundry, mowing the lawn, cleaning the fish, balancing the checkbook, ironing, vacuuming, washing the car, pulling the weeds, cooking, answering the phone, finding the TV remote, selecting matching clothes for me, grocery shopping, automotive repair, gardening, taxi, teaching the bible and praying with the kids, and making nachos during the Cowboys game.


and, oh yeah....pleasing her man!




To require any more would be chauvanistic.

Wags said:

Good thing you are on the road so much huh?

Making nachos during the Cowboys game - I guess it is her duty to cheer-up her poor hubby as he roots for a losing team yet again!

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I'm gonna get my wife to go beat you up for saying that!!!

By Grace said:

I know you're just trying to be funny, but I would say in response to that, that your mortgage payment does not have to be so burdensome. We voluntarily put ourselves under a mortgage, which is completely different from enforced slavery, and we have the option of taking on smaller mortgages that are more manageable, or even having no mortgage at all.

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Yes so that is worse that many in pursuit of possesions effectiveley make themselves slaves to the spirit of mammon. I am referring to beleivers who say they are desciples of Yeshua.

Just b/c much of the world still allows it doesn't mean it's a good thing, or that it's the direction in which the worldwide community is moving. Polygamy is illegal here in the US.

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Well the scripture does not say it is a bad thing either and does infer that it is prefereable in certain circumstances.
Technically speaking Bygamy is a crime but Polygany is not.

Polygany is a description of a man that has covenanted to several woman to be his woman.

Bygamy is the crime of registering a 2nd woman with the state as a lawful wedded wife according to state or federal laws.

And my point was that, even though polygamy was acceptable in Bible times, doesn't mean it was part of God's original plan, or that it should be acceptable today.

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I guess we have a different Torah then, as the Torah of Moses regulates it, thereby sanctioning it.
Some will argue that regulation does not mean sanctioning this is just not true, even modern laws are issue to regulate something that is approved of only.

Yeshua said that God's original intent was to have one man and one woman. So there's evidence that the cultural mores of Avraham, Moshe, and Solomon should not be idolized today. There is room for improvement.

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Improvement on the Written Torah!
You cannot be serious the Written Torah is perfect and does not need fixing.

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In spite of statistics and anecdotes, we all have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12), as each individual is responsible for their own choices, decisions, and actions.

Figuring out my role as a woman seeking to humble myself under the mighty hand of YHVH (1 Peter 5:6) and the chain of authority He has established (1 Cor. 11:3) has been heart-wrenching under extremely difficult circumstances.

I followed the instructions I found in 1 Peter 2:13-3:18 as well as 1 Cor. 7:1-16 & 39, Eph.5:22-24 & 33b, 1 Tim. 2:9-15, and Titus 2:3-5 applied to my marriage for years.

For a long time I thought that I was responsible for keeping my vows no matter what my husband did (Psalm 15:4), and I strove to constantly keep focused ONLY on the beam in my own eye (Matt. 7:5).

Eventually it came to me that were Torah actually obeyed by those claiming to serve the living Elohim, I would have been a widow a long time ago (Lev. 20:10). The truth of this principle is highlighted in Job 31:7-12.

Since the Scriptural solution is not available in this time and place, I ultimately chose to divorce.

Ecc. 3:1 For every matter there is an appointed time, even a time for every pursuit under the heavens:

Ecc 3:7a a time to tear.....

God understands.

some of us hang in there until there is nothing left...

This passage I found comforting might also comfort others facing similar circumstances:

Isaiah 54:5 "For your Maker is your husband, YHVH of hosts is His Name, and the Set-apart One of Yisra'el is your Redeemer. He is called the Elohim of all the earth.

Isaiah 54:6 "For YHVH has called you like a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, like a wife of youth when you were refused," declares your Elohim.

Devasha said:

In spite of statistics and anecdotes, we all have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12), as each individual is responsible for their own choices, decisions, and actions.

Figuring out my role as a woman seeking to humble myself under the mighty hand of YHVH (1 Peter 5:6) and the chain of authority He has established (1 Cor. 11:3) has been heart-wrenching under extremely difficult circumstances.

I followed the instructions I found in 1 Peter 2:13-3:18 as well as 1 Cor. 7:1-16 & 39, Eph.5:22-24 & 33b, 1 Tim. 2:9-15, and Titus 2:3-5 applied to my marriage for years.

For a long time I thought that I was responsible for keeping my vows no matter what my husband did (Psalm 15:4), and I strove to constantly keep focused ONLY on the beam in my own eye (Matt. 7:5).

Eventually it came to me that were Torah actually obeyed by those claiming to serve the living Elohim, I would have been a widow a long time ago (Lev. 20:10). The truth of this principle is highlighted in Job 31:7-12.

Since the Scriptural solution is not available in this time and place, I ultimately chose to divorce.

Ecc. 3:1 For every matter there is an appointed time, even a time for every pursuit under the heavens:

Ecc 3:7a a time to tear.....

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Well stated
bananna

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The reason it is important to know this is so it is not repeated in our families. Men need to stop blaming women and God for their choice to disobey Torah.~Bananna~

Of course how many men donot do what God is asking of them because their wife is not in agreemtent usually because it is a step of faith and threatens her sense of security financially. I for one do not want to face my Adon Messiah Yeshua saying that I shrank back because my woman was not in agreement or di not feel it was right.~Mikail,~

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LOL

Sorry, I just had to laugh. Seems you are still blaming a woman.
On the serious side though. Please consider if you are in fact blaming God for the woman He gave you. While Yod[edited to correct] can make lite of all the things we do as a wives and mothers, these are agreed upon between husband and wife. I really enjoy being a mother and a wife because I am secure and my husband has learned how to live considerately with ME. (not comparing me to the other guys wife, or even 'SARAH'.)

All it takes to make me hate my roll and become severely depressed is for my husband to step out of his roll and leave me uncovered. I would never submit to verbal abuse, physical abuse, abuse of my children, neglect of spiritual training of the children, murder, etc. and any number of other Torah teachings. You see Divorce was/is allowed for the unbeliever/lawless.

I thank God my husband provides well for us with every ability and strength with in him.

Here is a parable for you.
A man saw that his wife was cold and sleeping without a cover. Ah he says I must cover her. So he goes about finding just the right blanket. He throws it at her from across the room and she wakes up when it hits her. She was not happy ofcourse with his effort. She had very little sleep. Putting the thin blanket over her she returns to sleep. Pretty soon the husband notices his wife is snoring. Agrivated he wakes her up and tells her to be quiet. Embarrassed and hurt, and tired from disturbed sleep she tries to go back to sleep but cannot, because her stomach is in knots.
When day comes she is up late and her husband chides her for failing to submit to the house rule of everyone getting up at the same time. He must go to work without his breakfast.

Moral:
A husband who is close to his wife can lay the covering on without waking her. A husband who lives considerately with his wife will know how to deal with snoring without furhter burdening his wife, rather nurturing and protecting he will shut the window and if need be sleep on the couch, for she is the weaker vessel and needs her sleep.
A husband that speaks healing will bring harmony and rest to his home and himself. KWIM

bananna

Bananna said:

Sorry, I just had to laugh. Seems you are still blaming a woman.

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How so? I am saying the very opposite men need to start obeying God first and formost. I in the past have made this mistake of listening to my wife instead of doing what I knew God was telling me to do in certain situations so I blame no one but myself as I was the one who did not do what he told me to do on those occasions. That said I also know that he works all things for my good because I Love him and I am called according to his purposes.

On the serious side though. Please consider if you are in fact blaming God for the woman He gave you. While Wag can make lite of all the things we do as a wives and mothers, these are agreed upon between husband and wife. I really enjoy being a mother and a wife because I am secure and my husband has learned how to live considerately with ME. (not comparing me to the other guys wife, or even 'SARAH'.)

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As I just stated I accept total responsibility for where I am both on the right and wrong decisions that I made in the past, in fact God has shown me much about myself throught what has happened.

All it takes to make me hate my roll and become severely depressed is for my husband to step out of his roll and leave me uncovered. I would never submit to verbal abuse, physical abuse, abuse of my children, neglect of spiritual training of the children, murder, etc. and any number of other Torah teachings. You see Divorce was/is allowed for the unbeliever/lawless.

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No divorce is never permitted by the beleiving husband or wife from an unbeleiving husband or wife. Saul makes this obvious and prefaces it that it is a commandment of our Adon.

1Co 7:10 But to the married I command--not I, but the Lord--that the wife not leave her husband 11 (but if she departs, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband not leave his wife. 1Co 7:12 But to the rest I--not the Lord--say, if any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she is content to live with him, let him not leave her. 13 The woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he is content to live with her, let her not leave her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in the husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 Yet if the unbeliever departs, let there be separation. The brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us in shalom.

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Under Torah of Mose's YHWH recognised divorce for the woman's sake as a concession for a woman who made mistakes but who's husband had become hard of heart and would not forgive her as Yeshua says "...because of the hardness of mens hearts he permitted you to write a bill of divorce"

Yeshua only grants seperation for fornication when the repentance is there reconcilliation should occur. Because of ignorance of Torah most translators equate seperation as bonafide divorce as this was all that was required in Greco/Roman law. However for a woman to be free to marry under Torah her previous Husband (her head and covering) was required to give her a bill of divorce put it into her hand and send her out of his house.

I thank God my husband provides well for us with every ability and strength with in him.

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So what would happen if things got tough financially and/or he did not handle things well in an economic downturn would you leave him when your mind justified he was not doing enough in your view.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

yod said:

and, oh yeah....pleasing her man!

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I endured making my husband liver and onions last night! The ultimate sacrifice for me LOL. He sure was pleased

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wrong name..:o
Wags, Please accept my appology for confusing you with someone else. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

Yes I got a kick out of 'Yod's' comment. It looks like a discription of a door mat when it's written that way.

I do all that and yet I LIKE TO. Not all women do like to do those things and their husbands must consider them and thier nature when living considerately with them. IMO Well hubby sits and listens to news and gets nachos, he does not like sports... but all men have thier "passionate hobbies"

Hubby used to get a big kick out of tellin the guys how I shined his boots for inspection. The thing is after he was ready I had no kiddos so I could fall asleep on the couch for a little while after he left and often did as I was very ill the first six years of our marriage. Too bad hubby bragging made other men want their wives to be like me. Comparing is like coveting. Men who want a wife like Sarah are coveting another man's wife.

bananna