Is Rove going down?

ClaireZ · Jul 13, 2005

Actually when the story first broke, Rove was my first guess for the source.

I am surprised by how often I am not surprised by this administration.

PACKY · Jul 13, 2005

When a person cant come out and say I am Innocent..or when they lawyer up..it tends to appear that they are guilty of something....

mutantleader · Jul 13, 2005

If he is convicted, the president will likely pardon him as one his exit strategies.

Smoke Screen · Jul 14, 2005

Some quotes Rep. Henry Waxman included in his letter to House Colleagues.

"I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."Former President and CIA Director George H.W. Bush, Washington Times (Apr. 27, 1999).

"We also want to send a clear message to the political 'operatives' responsible for ?outing? Mrs. Wilson. Such action was treacherous, if not treasonous. .. This has set a sickening precedent. The "senior Administration officials" who did this have warned all U.S. intelligence officers and the Intelligence Community that any one individual may be compromised if providing information or factual analysis the White House does not like."Testimony of Former CIA Officials Larry Johnson, Michael Grimaldi, and Brent Cavan (Oct. 24, 2003).

"The disclosure of Ms. Plame?s name was an unprecedented and shameful event in American history and, in our professional judgment, has damaged U.S. national security, specifically the effectiveness of U.S. intelligence gathering using human sources. Any breach of the code of confidentiality and cover weakens the overall fabric of intelligence, and, directly or indirectly, jeopardizes the work and safety of intelligence workers and their sources."Letter to House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert from Former CIA Officials Larry C. Johnson, James Marcinkowski, Michael Grimaldi, Brent Cavan, Marc Sageman, MD, Ph.D., James A. Smith, John McCavitt, Ray McGovern, Ray Close, and William Wagner (Jan. 20. 2004).

arnegrim · Jul 14, 2005

Smoke Screen said:
All you have to do is put the effort into researching it and reading it!

What law was broken by Rove? (assuming he's the one who outed her)

Doctrine1st · Jul 14, 2005

arnegrim said:
What law was broken by Rove? (assuming he's the one who outed her)

The Intelligence Identities Protection Act

arnegrim · Jul 14, 2005

Well... uh... she wasn't covert.

arnegrim · Jul 14, 2005

What part of that law did he break?

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/guest_commentary/reporter_confidentiality.htm

Doctrine1st · Jul 14, 2005

arnegrim said:
Well... uh... she wasn't covert.

Why wasn't she, and there are CIA agents who beg to differ and wish their own Government would quit mucking with their lives let lone their carreers for the sake of embarassment.

starchild · Jul 14, 2005

arnegrim said:
Well... uh... she wasn't covert.

When you use a Republican Talking Point©, aren't you required to notate the copyright?

From dictionary.com:

cov·ert (k

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adj.

Not openly practiced, avowed, engaged in, accumulated, or shown: covert military operations; covert funding for the rebels. See Synonyms at secret.

Covered or covered over; sheltered.

Law. Being married and therefore protected by one's husband.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache

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The CIA declined to discuss Plame's intelligence work, but an agency official disputed suggestions that she was a mere analyst whose public exposure would have little consequence.

"If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral," the CIA official said, insisting on anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.

starchild · Jul 14, 2005

arnegrim said:
What part of that law did he break?

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/guest_commentary/reporter_confidentiality.htm

Don't worry. Patrick Fitzgerald will spell it out very clearly.

Smoke Screen · Jul 14, 2005

arnegrim said:
Well... uh... she wasn't covert.

And how do you know this? Let's see your source.

Sinai · Jul 15, 2005

Smoke Screen said:
Rove is a Republican. Republican's are allowed to break the law. Nobody cares if they break the law. Not even if it is an "unintensional" act of treason. Nothing will happen to Rove.

Thus far, the only thing Rove has been shown to be guilty of doing is helping Bush get elected. Although that may be the unpardonable sin as far as his detractors and opponents may be concerned, it is not against the law.....

fragmentsofdreams · Jul 15, 2005

I hope he goes down because he has done much evil in his pursuit of power. However, I don't know whether this will bring him down.

Cliche Guevara · Jul 15, 2005

He was fired by Bush Snr for leaking information to Robert Novak back in 1992.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/07/rove_plame/index_np.html

When Karl Rove was little known outside Texas political circles, he was fired from George H.W. Bush's 1992 reelection campaign for leaking information to syndicated columnist Robert Novak. According to newspaper reports at the time, Rove was terminated for passing information to Novak from a meeting of the president's chief advisors. Rove denied he was the leaker.

Today, with another Bush in office, a journalist is being jailed to protect a source that led Novak to name a CIA operative, Valerie Plame. There is fevered speculation that Novak's source was, once again, Karl Rove.

If Rove, George W. Bush's deputy chief of staff, knowingly revealed Plame's name, he could be charged with committing a felony.

arnegrim · Jul 15, 2005

In an interview on CNN Thursday before the latest revelation, Wilson kept up his criticism of the White House, saying Rove's conduct was an "outrageous abuse of power ... certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House."

But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20050715/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_rove

Doctrine1st · Jul 15, 2005

arnegrim said:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20050715/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_rove

"But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said."

For the sake of argument let's say this is an accurate quote. Seeing that she was a NOC, and was working undercover for a CIA devised company to investigate WMDs, any contacts she may have had are probably now fatally compromised, any company which provided her cover is now exposed, including other agents who are working in the same capacity for said company.

They just ruined years of inroads and perhaps jeopardized the saftey of some in Governments that aren't as civil as us, just to cover their %$# because of the need to lie about the war.

This admin is completely incompetent when it comes to the war on terror.

arnegrim · Jul 15, 2005

Doctrine1st said:
"But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said."

For the sake of argument let's say this is an accurate quote. Seeing that she was a NOC, and was working undercover for a CIA devised company to investigate WMDs, any contacts she may have had are probably now fatally compromised, any company which provided her cover is now exposed, including other agents who are working in the same capacity for said company.

They just ruined years of inroads and perhaps jeopardized the saftey of some in Governments that aren't as civil as us, just to cover their %$# because of the need to lie about the war.

This admin is completely incompetent when it comes to the war on terror.

For the sake of argument, if she was no longer working undercover, her identity (or lack thereof) would no longer be vital to the workings of anything... if it were, then she would have remained 'covert'.

arnegrim · Jul 15, 2005

Here's an idea... why don't we wait until the investigation determines if there was any laws broken and go from there.

kermit · Jul 15, 2005

arnegrim said:
Here's an idea... why don't we wait until the investigation determines if there was any laws broken and go from there.

The investigation will only determine whether or not he committed a crime. To maintain his position and/or security clearance merely not being a criminal isn't enough. He has to demonstrate trustworthyness and caution when dealing with topics that may be classified (when in doubt shut your mouth). He didn't do so.

His excuse is that he didn't know her status at the CIA was classified. Since when is ignorance an excuse? If a sailor unwittingly reveals the location of a sub is he less guilty because he didn't know that information was classified? Nope.

This isn't the first time Rove has gotten in trouble for his loose lips. What type of information is he going to let slip next time? Troop movements? The location of Camp David? Who's life does he have to endanger for him to be fired?

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