A new Pagan tradition

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I was raised a protestant, attending the Reformed church that is two blocks away from where I am seated right now. I was, by definition, a fundementalist (I didn't know this at the time). My first true exposure to Paganism was a report I gave on Voodoun in middleschool.

In high school, I debated interpretation of bible verses with a good friend of mine. His interpretations brought me to realize that I might be wrong. Over a period of time, I eventually became agnostic (though nominally Christian -- attending church but not with any faith).

It was then that a man by the name of Aleister Crowley caught my attention. I began researching him, his writings, and Thelema.

I first heard of Wicca in highschool. The first Pagan I discussed my beliefs with was a friend from a MUD I play. The first Wiccan I met (in person) was a fluffy bunny on various narcotics, so he scared me away from that path for a bit of time.

I eventually researched Wicca in college, and discovered that it was very similar to things that I already believed in. I joined the coven headed by a good friend of mine.

One of the covenmates of the coven was destructive, and we eventually had to excommunicate her. She is still slandering our names. This experience has led me to see weaknesses in the structure of Wicca.

Since then, a new tradition of witchcraft has been forming itself within my mind -- something different. However, I want to do as much research as possible. Not only do I wish to research Pagan religions, but I wish to research as many religions as possible. Including various denominations of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Bahá'í, Buddhism, etc.

I'm also writing an accompanying religious philosophy that is compatable with all beliefs and non-beliefs that I can think of.

Let me know any religious texts you think I ought to read (Bible & Quran are already on my list) and feel free to give me any advice or ask questions.
 

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cerad said:
On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
Charles Darwin, M.A.,
Good suggestions. I've read excerpts from his journal of his voyage on the Beagle. I'll add them to my list.

kdet said:
Satan loves to entice us. Especially if we seek Him out over and over.
In the Bible, it is the nature (True Will) of Satan to reveal the nature (True Will) of a person. He can't lead people to do anything that is against their nature - as evidenced by the temptation of Jesus and also in the book of Job.

People who are naturally destructive or power-hungry are dangerous to welcome with open arms into a community. It's similar to treating a lion like a housecat. This is why joining a coven in the tradition I am creating will be a rigorous process, including interviews, background checks, etc. It will be the duty of someone to investigate a candidate and to show that a candidate should not be initiated - a job similar to the office of Promotor Fidei from the canonization process of the Roman Catholic Church.

Thank you for the insightful post, kdet. ^_^
 
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Since then, a new tradition of witchcraft has been forming itself within my mind
Yeah... after thousands of years of everyone being wrong - you are going to make up a proper "path". Welcome to paganism people - grab a plate and please, avoid getting fingerprints on the sneeze shield, they were already cleaned once this hour....
 
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"Good News for Witches" include "Witnessing to Witches" and "A Wicca Primer." Witnessing tips from a pagan? This Wicca practitioner wants to share a few pointers with Christians.

The Modern World of Witchcraft by Craig Hawkins is a good overview of what Wiccans believe. It originally ran in the Christian Research Journal.

In "The Wicca That Never Was" The Utne Reader explores the real story behind the world's newest "ancient" religion.

Read the Watchman Fellowship's Wicca Primer.

Don't miss Christianity Today's feature "The Bewitching Charms of Neopaganism" from November 1999.
 
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I suggest The Orthodox Way by Bishop Kallistos Ware. It's a book on the Eastern Orthodox view of God and one of the most meaningful texts I've ever read. It's a pretty quick read.


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InnerPhyre said:
I suggest The Orthodox Way by Bishop Kallistos Ware. It's a book on the Eastern Orthodox view of God and one of the most meaningful texts I've ever read. It's a pretty quick read.

:thumbsup: That's a book I had for my Eastern Orthodoxy class. I think I still have it somewhere. Must rummage around in the boxes of books in my closet. Definatly need some more shelves.



To morningstar - I will pm you a list of books on Islam, because in the past when I've posted any books, I've been warned because I was "promoting islam."
 
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e=mv^2 said:
Yeah... after thousands of years of everyone being wrong - you are going to make up a proper "path". Welcome to paganism people - grab a plate and please, avoid getting fingerprints on the sneeze shield, they were already cleaned once this hour....

I have to admit, this is one reason I just can't take paganism very seriously.
 
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I am actually finding this subject very fascinating, I might pick up a FEW of this for a good read. I'm sorry I can't help you here MorningStar, but I'm supportive in your search and am thankful you created this topic.

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kdet said:
"Good News for Witches" include "Witnessing to Witches" and "A Wicca Primer." Witnessing tips from a pagan? This Wicca practitioner wants to share a few pointers with Christians.

The Modern World of Witchcraft by Craig Hawkins is a good overview of what Wiccans believe. It originally ran in the Christian Research Journal.

In "The Wicca That Never Was" The Utne Reader explores the real story behind the world's newest "ancient" religion.

Read the Watchman Fellowship's Wicca Primer.

Don't miss Christianity Today's feature "The Bewitching Charms of Neopaganism" from November 1999.
Good News for Witches
Nice article. I have to say that Salem is apalling to me. It's a tourist trap. No witches were burned, hung, or made slightly uncomfortable in Salem during the hysteria -- it was a bunch of paranoid Puritans executing the undesirables of the town under the charge of witchcraft.

Also, the "anti-patriarchal" concept isn't an actual Wiccan doctrine, however, several Pagans (including the one excommunicated from our group) have adopted such beliefs. She is a feminist, but I am an egalitarianist. On a sidenote, the Christian Godhead is genderless. Not male. Not female.

And as for "celebrating your heritage" in Salem - there were no Wiccans in Salem - Wicca is a new religion. Bloody fluff bunnies! Walking around town with a broomstick and wearing all black clothing and a pointy hat does not make you a witch, it makes you attention-craved!

Witnessing to Witches
This article is filled with good advice for Christians that want to witness to Pagans, as well as books I will look into.

A Wicca Primer
This article is a good explanation of the basic beliefs and a brief look at the history of Wicca. There are more detailed beliefs not mentioned that are very similar to Taoism.

Witnessing tips from a pagan?
Very good article - surprising that it was written by a teenager, isn't it?

The Modern World of Witchcraft
Good article - very good sources.

The Wicca That Never Was
The article has been moved, so I linked to the new URL. It irritates me that most Wiccans actually are fluff-for-brains tree huggers with little or no factual knowledge about the history of Paganism. I'd recommend Ronald Hutton's Triumph of the Moon to them - a very well researched book (citing 242 sources) on the recent history of Paganism in Europe...however it carries with it a relatively difficult reading level (Flesch-Kincaid Index 17.3).

Watchman Fellowship's Wicca Primer
Okay article, but it's title slightly irks me. Witchcraft is not Wicca - Wicca is just one type of witchcraft.
 
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arunma said:
I have to admit, this is one reason I just can't take paganism very seriously.
Oh? Why not?

I'm not expecting you to take fluffbunnies or hypocrites seriously. However, not all Pagans are fluffbunnies or hypocrites.

If someone researching a multitude of religious beliefs and generally working themselves like mad isn't serious, then I want to know what you consider "serious".
 
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arunma said:
I have to admit, this is one reason I just can't take paganism very seriously.

Just to keep my poking stick skills up to snuff, couldn't this be applied to any religion that has sects, schisms, and any sort of leadership that's not the original leader?

In other words, don't many religions have someone who thinks they can do better?
 
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e=mv^2 said:
Yeah... after thousands of years of everyone being wrong - you are going to make up a proper "path". Welcome to paganism people - grab a plate and please, avoid getting fingerprints on the sneeze shield, they were already cleaned once this hour....
Schisms in Christianity:
After thousands of years of everyone being wrong - Jesus made "Christianity"...

After thousands of years of everyone being wrong - Martin Luther made "Protestantism"...

Are these your beliefs? Probably not, if word for word.

I never asserted that I was right or everyone was wrong - I said that I have different ideas. Your argument is a strawman.

If you wish to debate the validity of Paganism as a religion, I'd be happy to - in a different thread.
 
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morningstar2651 said:
I'm also writing an accompanying religious philosophy that is compatable with all beliefs and non-beliefs that I can think of.

Let me know any religious texts you think I ought to read (Bible & Quran are already on my list) and feel free to give me any advice or ask questions.

I think you should start with philosophical texts of people who have tried writing philosophies that are compatible with all beliefs.

John Hick and William James might be helpful.
 
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Your argument is a strawman.
My argument was set up to make you attack it instead of the real topic?
No. You do not know what a strawman is.
Since then, a new tradition of witchcraft has been forming itself within my mind
You are stating that you are starting your own religion here yes?

After thousands of years of everyone being wrong - Jesus made "Christianity"...
Um..no.
Jesus fulfilled the prophecies and restored the relationship between God and man. He also performed miracles like healing the sick - restoring sight to the blind. Stuff like that. You working miracles over there? If so I know someone that will pay you 2 million dollars to prove it. Or you could work some magic ... 2 million for that too.

After thousands of years of everyone being wrong - Martin Luther made "Protestantism"...
Protestantism is not a seperate religion. It was a response to things that were going on in the church at the time. Luther did not make up a "new path".

If you wish to debate the validity of Paganism as a religion
Now this my friend *is* a strawman. You want me to attack the validity of paganism in general instead of the fact that you are attempting to make up your own religion. Not going to happen - I want to discuss you making up new ways to lead people away from Christ.
 
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e=mv^2 said:
Yeah... after thousands of years of everyone being wrong - you are going to make up a proper "path". Welcome to paganism people - grab a plate and please, avoid getting fingerprints on the sneeze shield, they were already cleaned once this hour....

What an ignorant fool. He wants to help refine his religion, not create a whole new one.

When it comes down to facts and logic, most Pagan religions make more sense than Christianity.
 
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