Benny Hinn: Fake or Real?

victoryword · Jan 30, 2004

Jim B said:
Victoryword wrote:

I would counsel anyone who esteems leaders more highly than they ought to always exercise caution and discernment before assigning too much admiration for them. I do not know much about Benny Hinn and do not follow him. But I do know that leaders, many of them self-appointed within P/C ranks, have disappointed their followers and brought reporoach to the cause of Christ in the past too many for it not to be a serious warning to all of us.

Jim
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Jim

I'm afraid that your counsel is not worth much to me. In a previous post on this very thread I wrote:

I already know that Jehovah is the healer but I must clarify that since some hotshot might say, "well don't trust Benny, trust God. I know that already.

I know you have this thing about Pentecostals and Charismatics, but let me assure you that even some Vineyard churches "esteem" the late John Wimber so much that it borders nearly on worship. Just read some of the Vineyard lit.

Jim B · Jan 30, 2004

victoryword wrote:

I know you have this thing about Pentecostals and Charismatics, but let me assure you that even some Vineyard churches "esteem" the late John Wimber so much that it borders nearly on worship. Just read some of the Vineyard lit.

It is not a thing, v., but it is a concern.

Actually, I came into the Vineyard AFTER John Wimber died and, while I am more indirectly influenced by him than directly, I agree with you to an extent. The fact is, 41% of the Vineyard churches in existence today were not in existence when Wimber was alive. Its a new day in Vineyard churches.

While I esteem Wimber highly (as I do many great people in Christs Church, including you), I certainly do not esteem him more highly than I do any other teacher or leader in the Body of Christ. Some in the Vineyard may, but I am not one of them although I do have great respect for him. He earned it.

Jim
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d0c markus · Jan 30, 2004

B[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=+1]enny Hinn: [/size][/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]"Adam was a super-being when God created him. I don't know whether people know this, but he was the first superman that really ever lived. First of all, the Scriptures declare clearly that he had dominion over the fowls of the air, the fish of the sea - which means he used to fly. Of course, how can he have dominion over the birds and not be able to do what they do?" ("Praise the Lord" program - TBN. 26 December 1991.)[/size][/font]

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rseaborn/word_of_faith.html

^_^

is that not absurd.. Benny Hinn in my opinion is bogus.

J.A.I · Jan 30, 2004

Man even now has dominion over animals.. but we can't fly (not w/the use of airplanes lol).

I will state this - Benny Hinn, and a lot of the others on TBN - don't sit right w/me at all, and didn't even BEFORE I was saved... that's my 2 cents, take it or leave it. I've observed a whole lot of heresy in those TBNers.

This is a matter on which you need to seek God personally.. not asking others or living vicariously through 2nd hand testimonies.. ask God, and He will show you.

And before someone tries to say, "You're not charismatic! You don't belong!".. I'm Baptist

Question - It seems when someone says something that doesn't agree w/you, you're quick to say, "You don't belong here anyway!"... that is the same thing that was in the older days... Blacks couldn't drink from the same fountains that Whites did b/c they didn't belong.. situation's different, but the words are the same. We are all Christians. Does that not matter ?

"You're Catholic! Don't you dare come to my church!!!!! We're Charismatic and WE DON'T WANT YOU THERE!" <----- childish.

d0c markus · Jan 30, 2004

W.o.F worries me. They are...... somethin

SavedByGrace3 · Jan 30, 2004

enoch son said:
I truely wonder why some of you are in the fourm. It seems to me that you only look down on P/C?

I agree and wonder this myself. If someone was truly charismatic they would not constantly start threads and post items that serve only to detract from this move of God, question and cast doubt on the work of the Spirit, and slander his ministers. It is wholly unedifying and serves no purpose but to engender strife. This forum was getting better but now has taken a turn for the worse again.

Shannonkish · Jan 30, 2004

I believe that God can work through BH, regardless of whether BH is in God or not. I am not saying that BH is in God or not... but I believe that God is not limited to working through only Christians.

As far as BH is concerned... The reason I have a hard time believing or supporting his 'ministry' stems from this thought- if he has the ability to call upon healing of God whenever he chooses, why is he not doing so in the hospitals.... healing sick that really need it, cancer patients, people that are stuck in the hospital and can't visit his crusades? Perhaps, it is because he wouldn't be paid for doing so...

I also have a huge problem with the WoF. I do not find anywhere in scripture where I can command God to do something and he will. I have found that I can ask God to do something, and if it is in his will, he will do so. I also don't make a habit of tithing in order to become prosperous financially....

Jim B · Jan 30, 2004

Didaskalos wrote:

I agree and wonder this myself. If someone was truly charismatic they would not constantly start threads and post items that serve only to detract from this move of God, question and cast doubt on the work of the Spirit, and slander his ministers. It is wholly unedifying and serves no purpose but to engender strife. This forum was getting better but now has taken a turn for the worse again.

D., you do not have to participate in the threads you do not like, but I hope everyone can share their beliefs even when they are not politically correct. I enjoy your posts, even when we do not agree and welcome your right to share your views. I would hope you would allow me and others the same privilege. I am learning from you.

Jim
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look · Jan 30, 2004

oneshot012 said:
I really don't like Benny Hinn all that much but i heard a story one time of a pastor who questioned whether Benny Hinn was real or fake but he didn't ask his peers he went straight to the source and asked God. When he asked God ( sorry i don't remeber the story perfectly it was like a few months ago that i heard it) He gave this pastor an illustration. In this illustratration God told him to clean the carpet with his tongue (to my remberance of the story God did not ask him to do this this is only an illustration) and God asked him what his response would be and because he knew he was talking to God he said well i would have to question whether that was from You or not. God then told him that if i told Benny Hinn that he would drop down to his hands and knees and clean the carpet with his tongue.

Really i am not that big of a supporter but i have had friends that went to his crusades and they have been healed. So to say that this man is not of God i don't believe is correct but who know's? You may have problems with his teachings or the way that he does things but why should we disccuss these things amongst ourselves. Instead of posting this hear why not let us go directly to the source and ask God if he is real or fake. He may be foolish with his money and what not but what about Solomon or Abraham? Weren't these men extremely rich and so where many other people from the Bible. I don't have any of the answer the only thing i know is that God is God and i am not and that i don't like to see one sided discussions. I am not hear to debate i am just hear to bring the otherside of the story that is all and my insights as Lee requested.

May God Bless you all.

Wisely said!!!

look · Jan 30, 2004

Trish1947 said:
Doesn't it seem right that God will bestow His gifts on those that He knows will be responsible to use them faithfully? After all the Bible says that the "gifts and the calling of God are without repentance? Now I'm not saying that to reflect on Benny Hinn's or any other ministers "spiritual condition". But look at the ones that seem to be faithful to that calling, Kathryn Kullman, A.A. Allen, Benny Hinn, and the like. All seem in our eyes very "strange" people, and yes, even maybe unrepentant. But God chooses to confound the wisdom of the wise. Remember the man in the Bible that was casting out demons in Jesus name, and the apostles wanted to stop him, and Jesus said leave Him alone. At least the people we're seeing the manifestation of Gods power. God will be praised in all the earth, I dont care if He has to cause rocks to praise Him.

I like your response!!!

enoch son · Jan 30, 2004

doc. Did not Jesus walk on water go thru walls etc. and He was the second adam. Adam had all that and more because he could fellowship on walks in the garden with God.

look · Jan 30, 2004

d0c markus said:
B[font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=+1]enny Hinn: [/size][/font][font=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][size=-1]"Adam was a super-being when God created him. I don't know whether people know this, but he was the first superman that really ever lived. First of all, the Scriptures declare clearly that he had dominion over the fowls of the air, the fish of the sea - which means he used to fly. Of course, how can he have dominion over the birds and not be able to do what they do?" ("Praise the Lord" program - TBN. 26 December 1991.)[/size][/font]

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rseaborn/word_of_faith.html

is that not absurd.. Benny Hinn in my opinion is bogus.

Do you have proof? How do you really know? Are you even aware that when Adam was created, he looked like God? Adam was covered with the same fire that envelopes God. That is why when he gave his God given authority to Satan, he discovered that he was naked. The Glory left them. Ever wonder why God gave them animal skins for a covering? They lost theirs from sin. Now is it too hard to see that when Adam was perfect before the fall), he may well have had the ability to fly?

You should think about how Satan conterfeits the things God did or does...Satan causes wichdoctors or the like to "fly" or leviate. Where did he get that idea? Satan cannot create or come up with his own ideas, all he can do is corrupt or twist (which is the meaning of wicked) things that were already created or set into motion by God. Think about that.

I think it is disgraceful and a rather telling indicator of how strong our intellect or our soul rules over our spirit man. It ought to be the other way around...

Besides, who are we to complain or criticize the way our General Jesus runs His missions and the people He choses to perform the assignment? Do that to your employer and see how long you last. Oh wait, you won't do that, you're way too smart. You know that murmuring against your boss will get you fired. Well then, it seems that you have placed your employer on a higher level than Jesus, think about that... You won't dare do that to your boss, but you do that on a daily basis to Jesus, THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

Tacky, tacky, tacky!!!

look · Jan 30, 2004

d0c markus said:
W.o.F worries me. They are...... somethin

I see that as usual, the thread has gotten around to bashing us WoF'ers...TSK, TSK, Tsk...AS I SAID EARLIER...

d0c markus · Jan 30, 2004

Hmmm..........

Shannonkish · Jan 30, 2004

I see that as usual, the thread has gotten around to bashing us WoF'ers...TSK, TSK, Tsk...AS I SAID EARLIER...

wow if that was bashing then i'd hate to see what slander would be in your book.

look · Jan 30, 2004

Shannonkish said:
I believe that God can work through BH, regardless of whether BH is in God or not. I am not saying that BH is in God or not... but I believe that God is not limited to working through only Christians.

As far as BH is concerned... The reason I have a hard time believing or supporting his 'ministry' stems from this thought- if he has the ability to call upon healing of God whenever he chooses, why is he not doing so in the hospitals.... healing sick that really need it, cancer patients, people that are stuck in the hospital and can't visit his crusades? Perhaps, it is because he wouldn't be paid for doing so...

I also have a huge problem with the WoF. I do not find anywhere in scripture where I can command God to do something and he will. I have found that I can ask God to do something, and if it is in his will, he will do so. I also don't make a habit of tithing in order to become prosperous financially....

HMM...PERHAPS IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE OUR OWN WOF FORUM, I'M TIRED OF GETTING HIT BY HOLIER THAN THOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WALKING THE LOVE LIFE...

I also don't make a habit of tithing in order to become prosperous financially....

Anyone who does that as their personal motive is not tithing properly. When the tithe (as shown in the Bible) is brought before Jesus (He is our High Priest), Jesus takes the tithe and waves it before God as you worship God, the giver of your increase. God has given us a promise that is tied to the proper handling of the tithe. The Windows of Heaven... you know the promise...if you know that you are entitled to this promise after meeting all requirements, the act of reminding God of His promise is a step and exercise of faith. God wants you to come to Him and ask where it is and this pleases Him. It is impossible to please God without faith.

Shannonkish · Jan 30, 2004

HMM...PERHAPS IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE OUR OWN WOF FORUM, I'M TIRED OF GETTING HIT BY HOLIER THAN THOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WALKING THE LOVE LIFE...

talk about bashing.

Anyone who does that as their personal motive is not tithing properly. When the tithe (as shown in the Bible) is brought before Jesus (He is our High Priest), Jesus takes the tithe and waves it before God as you worship God, the giver of your increase. God has given us a promise that is tied to the proper handling of the tithe. The Windows of Heaven... you know the promise...if you know that you are entitled to this promise after meeting all requirements, the act of reminding God of His promise is a step and exercise of faith. God wants you to come to Him and ask where it is and this pleases Him. It is impossible to please God without faith.

Can I see some scripture to back up those claims?

look · Jan 30, 2004

Shannonkish said:
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wow if that was bashing then i'd hate to see what slander would be in your book.

Slander is the same as lying about a person to achieve a diminishment of character. Is that what you think it means?

look · Jan 30, 2004

Shannonkish said:
talk about bashing.

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Can I see some scripture to back up those claims?

What??? You don't know how to tithe??? You'd better hunker down with the Holy Spirit and let Him show you how... I'll tell you what, look up all instances of the word tithe in the Bible and then print them out and then meditate on them and see how it was done then...remember, tithing was not changed in the New Covenant, or was it? It would be better for you to do your own homework, then you wouldn't be arguing about this. I know that you must look into these things yourself, or you will just keep on expressing doubt in these things.

If I really knew you were truly seeking the matter out, I would correspond
with you via pm or e-mail. I have no desire to debate Tithing with anyone and
engage in worthless doubtful (full of doubt) disputations on the matter of reminding God of His promises to all of us. That's not my job, I wasn't called to that.

SavedByGrace3 · Jan 30, 2004

Jim B said:
Didaskalos wrote:
D., you do not have to participate in the threads you do not like, but I hope everyone can share their beliefs even when they are not politically correct...

I would hope that Christians have a higher standard of thought and conversation than simply being "politically correct".

Philippians 4:8 KJV
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

2 Timothy 2:23 KJV
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

Romans 15:2 KJV
2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

I just cannot see the use in constantly calling into question fellow believers. Just a bad taste.

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