Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

2 Peter 2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

How can you say that ANY of the verse you just listed are about people who are saved BY JESUS. The word save or salvation is not even IN the verses! What you are saying makes no sense. Your telling me that Jesus saves us...but we have the power to take away his salvation.
There are many who might say.//"lord help me" and NOT be saved!
Yes those verse are not talking about people like is who are truley saved by the blood of Jesus! You can "know" the Lord..You can hear the "truth" and still not accept it. That doesn't mean you were saved because you heard the truth!
GEL

God will never leave or forsake us..but it is very possible for us to leave and forsake Him.

To me OSAS just doesn't cut it because many people become Christians and do well for a while but have turned their back on him like IE saying they are now agnostic or atheist..to me that is loosing one's salvation but don't get me wrong..it's possible to get it back..

I don't think just because someone is Christian and they commit a sin they lost their salvation. The Bible says we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God, so it is possible to be a Christian, sin ask for forgiveness ands still be a Christian or saved.

Missy

Missy

Hi all!

Regarding the question way back at the top of this thread, doesn't Judges 16:20 tell us regarding Samson: "But he knew not that the Lord was departed from him"? (How could someone be so stuck on themselves so as not to know such a momentous thing?)

Be well!

stillsmallvoice

OK...let me get this strait in my mind.
OSAS means that no matter what you do, even if you deny God you cannot lose your salvation?
If a person is saved..and the Holy Spirit is in them and working regarless of how hard that person is trying to get the spirit to work for them its still in there.
If someone who had experienced the work of the holy spirit, been baptized and seen and felt the goodness of God...and then turn around and deny God and deny he ever existed, I have a hard time believing that person was saved in the first place.
I believe that there are saved people who are backslidden (one who is saved but not doing works)..but there salvation is not lost because of that.
I need a intense definition of what OSAS really means to everyone.
I am a bit confused that it is even relevent to those who are saved?!!?!
GELh

One more thing...
All of you who are saved and know the truth about God and know his word...could you EVER deny him?? Ever in your life?
NO...its NOT possible! Because you know the truth.
BUT....it is possible that you could get lazy and not go to church and not witness ect ect but still have your salvation?
GEL

To all:

I posted this list before, it's by St Paul in Galatians. He's speaking to members of the Church, telling them how to live as Christians.

Galatians 5: 13-15

13 For you were called for freedom, brothers. But do not use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh; rather, serve one another through love. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 15 But if you go on biting and devouring one another, beware that you are not consumed by one another.

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Paul gives details in verses 19-21:

19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, socery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, 21 occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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Quite a detailed list. And it's obvious that Paul is speaking to those who are SAVED. If they weren't saved, it wouldn't matter what they were doing, whether picking flowers, caring for the sick, or participating in any of the niceties listed above. He's telling his churchmembers, DON'T DO THIS STUFF, GUYS, or you won't go to Heaven.

Sounds pretty clear to me.



Peace be with you,
~VOW

Galatians 5:21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26  Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

GEL

To Greenie:

That's right! You have a choice, walk in the Spirit, or give in to the flesh. IF you give in to the flesh, you will lose the kingdom of Heaven.

Why would Paul even mention that very detailed list of wrongdoing if nobody was ever going to be tempted by it? That would be like telling someone not to rollerskate on the rings of Saturn.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

Have you ever studied what all takes place at the moment someone trusts the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation?
Amoung many we are imputed with His righteousness
and adopted, we are placed in Christ.
(Even in the world an adopted child can not be disinherited.)

How can you undo something that God did?

It seems some people/churches are misplacing and misapplying Bible verses intended for the Jew in the tribulation and placing them in the church age.

Julie

THANK YOU julie for your words!
Maybe you can show them how in the verses...I am tried..and I get...Well thats "YOUR" interpertation...
Go for it!
GEL
PS....Is there ONE truth in Gods word...or a bunch of truths in Gods word that contradict each other?? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

It is NOT possible to lose your salvation if you are saved at this moment.
GEL

LOL

GEL

Things Children of God Can Do:

1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13

2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17

3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20

4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11

5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12

6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23

7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1

8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12

9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27

10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14

When Paul wrote that Hymenaeus and Alexander were turned over to the devil to be taught not to blaspheme, he wasn't talking about a loss of salvation, but a loss of fellowship. As far as Judas, he was never saved anyway (unless he repented before he hung himself). Saul had the power of the Holy Spirit upon him, not within him; when he saw that God favored David his heart was hardened towards God and the Spirit left. God does not force Himself upon anyone. If you don't want Him, He will reluctantly let you go. The question is, "Were any of these people saved to start with?"