If the last one didn't make you cry, this will.

Ozymandius · Jun 10, 2005

A week or two ago I was bored and pasted something from the "creationist-only" board here of CF. I found another post that made me weep for America and I had to post it. Enjoy.

Windmill said:
Wow this topic is STILL here amazing! I haven't been to the site in awhile. Thanks for all of the advise and support ^-^ I've had some further luck since then. An adventist missionary organisation heard my cry out for good pro creation anti-evolution material on another forum and sent me a great book. I'm not sure what denomination wrote it, its defiantly not SDA (Talks about a hell) but whatever whoever wrote it its BRILLIANT. 900 pages of solid EASY TO READ (5th graders can read it) material thats easy to find stuff thanks to the great index and stuff. Its so cheap as well, it sells for a maximum of $5 Its called evolution crusher, to anyone interested, I also believe it is available online to read for free. I've been taking it to school with me, its defiantly sparked some discussions

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK · Jun 10, 2005

Sorry, didn't make me cry in the slightest.

MartinM · Jun 10, 2005

Most people find the idea of lying to young children rather unpalatable.

AnEmpiricalAgnostic · Jun 10, 2005

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK said:
Sorry, didn't make me cry in the slightest.

Gee, I wonder why that is Baptist Steve? :scratch:

Jet Black · Jun 10, 2005

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK said:
Sorry, didn't make me cry in the slightest.

don't tell me that you have been sucked in by that YEC junk?

Bargainfluger · Jun 10, 2005

5th graders can read it.

Yes, because science is that easy. In fact, scientists have just been wasting their time! You don't need years and years of higher education to understand natural science, you just need a fifth grader. Brilliant!

Diagoras · Jun 10, 2005

I think the description '5th graders can read it', and 'sells for a maximum of $5' tells me a lot about the intellectual level of this stuff. Why don't people go to real sources for their science education? There's plenty of good stuff out there.

Humanista · Jun 10, 2005

Diagoras said:
I think the description '5th graders can read it', and 'sells for a maximum of $5' tells me a lot about the intellectual level of this stuff. Why don't people go to real sources for their science education? There's plenty of good stuff out there.

You are assuming those people want to make the effort and time it would take to read and understand a real source. They want easy to digest little nuggets that sound catchy and dont' require thought.

platzapS · Jun 10, 2005

I find it amazing simply because of it's low cost. It would be difficult to print and publish 900 pages for only five dollars. Of course, they may make them at a steep loss just to spread their literature more.

Edit:I searched for a free copy on the web, but "evolution crusher" on Google only turns up some children's card game.

Hydra009 · Jun 11, 2005

platzapS said:
I find it amazing simply because of it's low cost. It would be difficult to print and publish 900 pages for only five dollars. Of course, they may make them at a steep loss just to spread their literature more.

I found that weird as well. And how does one stretch out "evolution = atheism" unto 900 pages? And do they expect any creationist to read the full 900 pages, even at a 5th grade level?

BeamMeUpScotty · Jun 11, 2005

Hydra009 said:
I found that weird as well. And how does one stretch out "evolution = atheism" unto 900 pages? And do they expect any creationist to read the full 900 pages, even at a 5th grade level?

Well, JK Rowling expects them to read almost that much.

Kripost · Jun 11, 2005

platzapS said:
I find it amazing simply because of it's low cost. It would be difficult to print and publish 900 pages for only five dollars. Of course, they may make them at a steep loss just to spread their literature more.

Unless it is subsidised, perhaps?

vipertaja · Jun 11, 2005

Seeing this one can only imagine what creationism might evolve into in a few generations time...

Dannager · Jun 11, 2005

BeamMeUpScotty said:
Well, JK Rowling expects them to read almost that much.

Ah, but J.K. Rowling's fiction is actually entertaining.

Karl - Liberal Backslider · Jun 11, 2005

Dannager said:
Ah, but J.K. Rowling's fiction is actually entertaining.

And presented as such, even if some people have had difficulty understanding that concept. I wonder how many of the Harry Potter haters are also creationists? Just a thought...

vipertaja · Jun 11, 2005

Karl - Liberal Backslider said:
And presented as such, even if some people have had difficulty understanding that concept. I wonder how many of the Harry Potter haters are also creationists? Just a thought...

I'd imagine most of them would not dare touch that "witchcraft".

TIG · Jun 11, 2005

Can be found at
evolution-facts.org/Cruncher%20TOC.htm

I find it amazing that many of you all assume instantly that anyone who belives the YEC theory must be ignorant of real science, id say thats being ignorant. I dont agree with all the evidence put forth that supports a young earth but much of it i do.

answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp for example has alot of reasons for example the earth is young, based on science.

Smidlee · Jun 11, 2005

TIG said:
Can be found at
evolution-facts.org/Cruncher%20TOC.htm

I find it amazing that many of you all assume instantly that anyone who belives the YEC theory must be ignorant of real science, id say thats being ignorant. I dont agree with all the evidence put forth that supports a young earth but much of it i do.

answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp for example has alot of reasons for example the earth is young, based on science.

Also It's sad that people has targeted this 14 year old teen (according to her profile) who just beginning to get interested in science. Read how many negative thing people here has said here; Like a pack of wolves ready to jump on the youth. I don't know how good the book is yet atleast it cause her to have some interest in science. I believe this is one point Behe made that Darwinism is turning some our youth away from science. It's a dog eat dog world but this is what we should expect from people who believe they are nothing but animals.

Electric Sceptic · Jun 11, 2005

TIG said:
I find it amazing that many of you all assume instantly that anyone who belives the YEC theory must be ignorant of real science, id say thats being ignorant.

Sorry, but that's because it's simply true. No science supports YEC; all science points away from it.

TIG said:
I dont agree with all the evidence put forth that supports a young earth but much of it i do.

And that's because you're ignorant of science. I don't say that to be insulting - you're only young, and you can hardly be expected to know a great deal about science. So, in your ignorance, you believe what you are taught about it supporting YEC. It doesn't, as any science (not creationist) text will tell you.

TIG said:
answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp for example has alot of reasons for example the earth is young, based on science.

And it's all rubbish, which can be easily rebutted by anyone with a knowledge of science. Make no mistake. AIG is NOT based on science, and nothing on their website is.

Science is quite definite on the subject - YEC is false. Believe in YEC if you like, but don't make the mistake of thinking that there is any science that supports your point of view.

ObbiQuiet · Jun 11, 2005

Smidlee said:
Also It's sad that people has targeted this 14 year old teen (according to her profile) who just beginning to get interested in science. Read how many negative thing people here has said here; Like a pack of wolves ready to jump on the youth. I don't know how good the book is yet atleast it cause her to have some interest in science. I believe this is one point Behe made that Darwinism is turning some our youth away from science. It's a dog eat dog world but this is what we should expect from people who believe they are nothing but animals.

It's certainly not evolution that's turning people away from science; it's people like Behe, and his misrepresentations of it. A perfect example of this is the false rhetoric that evolution means you must be a social darwinist.

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