Oh, so you are saying that origins makes no difference. if I ask you to discuss our origins, you would be less defensive and hostile than you are during this discussion? Right? Oh boy, I can't wait to discuss origins with you and do away with all the hostility and anger that will truely be an good discussion. But until that discussion takes place, I wonder why you assumed that origins meant only evolution and creation and not origins? That sounds to me like someone not willing to discuss origins and therefore, is a bigger issue than you are making it out to be.Humanista said:Thank you for attempting to clarify. Who do you think is of the opinion that origins (not evolution or creationism) is important?
The only answer I recall dealt with the toe and the toc, not origins, maybe you could point me to the post that answers that question, the one I asked about our origins.And it has been answered.
Huh??? The schools teach origins all the time. The last time I checked, there were a lot of more important topics (scientific in nature) that are not being taught at all because of lack of time. Why is it then that we teach origins, I understand why the evolutionist doesn't want creation taught, and why the creationist doesn't want evolution taught, that is way tooooo easy of a question, the question is however, why origins must be taught, thus taking the place of more important scientific discussions and discoveries? And yes, walk into any science classroom and you will see a section devoted to our origins.No one is getting distraught about origins, because origins (as in not toc or toe) isn't being taught at all.
The problem was the apparent controdiction of statements of which I don't have time today to look up but referenced the quote in my post. First, we see ed saying that evolution is the basis of modern biology, then he switched to say that the basis of modern biology is the theory of evolution. I read the statement about a dozen times to make sure that I was reading it correctly. So I ask for clarity, was he talking about evolution or the theory of evolution. But since I am not smart enough to understand the meanings of the words being used, my asking for clarity was a show of my ignorance of science right? I did get your claim right didn't I? Now clarification was made other than to say that I misrepersented his words. So you run to his defense instead of asking him to simply clarify his view for all to understand. It must be nice to be on the forum with such loyal buddies that one is not held accountable for what appears to be a contridiction and when asked for clarity, we can play the game that the other person is ignorant and take no responsibility for our own actions and words. How cool is that, that you have such awesome friends on the forum that you require no responsibility from them for what they do or say. That is really cool, I hope I never have friends like that because I would never learn to grow and never learn in general.Note that biology and science are not the same. Evolutionary theory is the basis for modern biology. This is not the same as saying it(evolutionary theory) is the basis or modern science. There is no denying these words.
Seems to me that at least a part of the topic is important enough to spark debate or we wouldn't have pages and pages of acusations and nonesense circular arguements.I don't think origins is a hot, debatable topic to very many people.
The question is not why would a science teacher teach creation or some other theory, the question is why should a teacher, science or otherwise have to be compelled to teach origins. (evolution or otherwise) What makes our origins so important that we must teach origins in the classroom. Doesn't matter which theory (scientific or non) you are teaching, the question does not change and therefore was constructed to avoid the issue of which to teach evolution or creation.Note that the other aspects of origins (outside evolution) are not scientific, so why would science teachers cover them? Why would science teachers explain say, Navajo myth stories of creation? Origins (used as the all-encompassing defintion you give it) does NOT have a reserved spot in education, science does. And evolution is an important aspect of science, so time is devoted to it, just as it is to other scientific areas.
Oh, no worries, I know you are being sarcastic, and I know you were wrong, and I have no issue with people who make mistakes and then allow themselves to be corrected, that is the nature of being human, to make mistakes. So with the same sarcasim in which you wrote the words, let me say this, I gracefully and politely accept your humble appologizes and hope that my superior intellect will someday rub off on you. Thanks for presenting an oppertunity to joke a bit, helps the thread.Humblest apologies for my abjectly inferior mental capabilities. I know it must sorely try the patience of such an intellectual giant as yourself and I plead with you to forgive my pathetic efforts to "keep up". Remember we little people with compassion, I hear it's the Christian way.
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