Water on Mars and how it relates to anti-evolutionists

Late_Cretaceous · Jan 23, 2004

"We have done some instant science and I think we can firmly say 'yes, there was water acting on the surface of Mars'," Professor Neukum of the Free University in Berlin speaking of the Mars Express mission today.

Jet Black · Jan 23, 2004

as I said, macroevolution is just microevolution over alot of time. If you have a few billion years to play with, and piles of fossil evidence, it is pretty perverse to assume that macroevolution can't happen really.

Of course God could have made Olympus mons as it is, complete with craters, lava flows and so on, but that is a bit like the ol Oomphalos Hypothesis, the appearance of age, or in other words God the Deciever. That isn't good for Christianity really. Unless God is a bit like Slartibartfast.

Will13 · Jan 23, 2004

Jet Black said:
as I said, macroevolution is just microevolution over alot of time. If you have a few billion years to play with, and piles of fossil evidence, it is pretty perverse to assume that macroevolution can't happen really.

Of course God could have made Olympus mons as it is, complete with craters, lava flows and so on, but that is a bit like the ol Oomphalos Hypothesis, the appearance of age, or in other words God the Deciever. That isn't good for Christianity really. Unless God is a bit like Slartibartfast.

So you think we ALL...every living creature evolved from a single cell organism ( a prokaryote ) who eventually found harmony with another prokaryote (endosymbiotic theory )....and after billions (about 4.5) turned into us? Oh yea.......before the prokaryote you still have to assemble DNA....which is very fragile without any living structure it survive in.....OH and bring that being to life. I dont know meng....sounds a little far fetched.....Sounds like a lot of far fetched theories on both sides.....sounds like something had to set this little macroevoltion theory in place......i wouldnt put my money on chance (oh man, i'm taking a chance against chance, weird)

Microevolution is still proven and Macro not........unless you have proof and aren't sharing........

napajohn · Jan 23, 2004

ReUsAbLePhEoNiX said:
quote "Besides I didn't read anything about Evolution being proven as fact..all they said was possibilty of water being found...how does this prove evo?amazing
the logic that some of you display"

How this relates too Evo, is this is a perfect example of the scientific method being used....with all the indirect evidence of water for the past 5 years, by every other standard but science, one could say " Look at the geology of Mars, its obvouse water was involved."

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they said use caution..you said it was direct evidence ..proof positive that water was found..where do they say YEP..ITS H20?!

How it relates to Evo....
My point is the scientific method had not allowed science to officaly say water is a fact until direct evidence was found...
The same Method used in all branches of science use the same strict standards.

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Your logic amazes me..the scientific method was there and developed prior to evolution..The so called Baconian method gave birth to the scientific method..Evolution claims to use the scientific method but if you read any works by Gould who taught the history of science at Harvard, he professed that this method was adhered by the creationists more so than the evolutionists.The scientific method stands on its own...it is neither the property of creationists or evolutionists..yet you invalidated this method by pronouncing that water had been found on direct evidence..direct evidence is water in your hand...a picture as noted before is speculation..so you have violated this method.

Until real water was found, there were other possible explanations of geological formations. Science was open to the possibility of other causes.

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who found real water? this was an interpretation of a picture showing possible geographic activity...my my reusable, i suggest you and Arikay find a scientist associated with NASA saying, "YES we have WATER on mars based on the rover's picture or something that looks like water"..as far as I remember none have been pronounced.

do you understand how these standards are applied to Evo?

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see above

ReUsAbLePhEoNiX · Jan 23, 2004

napajohn said:
they said use caution..you said it was direct evidence ..proof positive that water was found..where do they say YEP..ITS H20?!

Your logic amazes me..the scientific method was there and developed prior to evolution..The so called Baconian method gave birth to the scientific method..Evolution claims to use the scientific method but if you read any works by Gould who taught the history of science at Harvard, he professed that this method was adhered by the creationists more so than the evolutionists.The scientific method stands on its own...it is neither the property of creationists or evolutionists..yet you invalidated this method by pronouncing that water had been found on direct evidence..direct evidence is water in your hand...a picture as noted before is speculation..so you have violated this method.

who found real water? this was an interpretation of a picture showing possible geographic activity...my my reusable, i suggest you and Arikay find a scientist associated with NASA saying, "YES we have WATER on mars based on the rover's picture or something that looks like water"..as far as I remember none have been pronounced.

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LOL ok fine. You havent read the story that broke today is they DID find water. Your confused or you skimmed over my posts and didnt read it....(I understand with my bad writing skills)

napajohn · Jan 23, 2004

ReUsAbLePhEoNiX said:
LOL ok fine. You havent read the story that broke today is they DID find water. Your confused or you skimmed over my posts and didnt read it....(I understand with my bad writing skills)

please post this source..I'll read it

Jet Black · Jan 23, 2004

Will13 said:
So you think we ALL...every living creature evolved from a single cell organism ( a prokaryote ) who eventually found harmony with another prokaryote (endosymbiotic theory )....and after billions (about 4.5) turned into us? Oh yea.......before the prokaryote you still have to assemble DNA....which is very fragile without any living structure it survive in.....OH and bring that being to life. I dont know meng....sounds a little far fetched.....Sounds like a lot of far fetched theories on both sides.....sounds like something had to set this little macroevoltion theory in place......i wouldnt put my money on chance (oh man, i'm taking a chance against chance, weird)

Microevolution is still proven and Macro not........unless you have proof and aren't sharing........

I never said it would be easy or likely. for all we know we are the only life in the galaxy (of note at any rate) and so that makes it a pretty rare occurance yeah?

Jet Black · Jan 23, 2004

napajohn said:
please post this source..I'll read it

previous page duder.

ReUsAbLePhEoNiX · Jan 23, 2004

http://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/SEM8ZB474OD_index_0.html
cool site, the Europ. space agency.

23 January 2004
ESA PR 06-2004. Mars Express, ESAs first mission to Mars, will reach its final orbit on 28 January. It has already been producing stunning results since its first instrument was switched on, on 5 January. The significance of the first data was emphasised by the scientists at a European press conference today at ESAs Space Operations Centre, Darmstadt, Germany.

OMEGA observation of the South polar cap
"I did not expect to be able to gather together - just one month after the Mars Orbit Insertion of 25 December so many happy scientists eager to present their first results", said Professor David Southwood, ESA Director of Science. One of the main targets of the Mars Express mission is to discover the presence of water in one of its chemical states. Through the initial mapping of the South polar cap on 18 January, OMEGA, the combined camera and infrared spectrometer, has already revealed the presence of water ice and carbon dioxide ice.

Jet Black · Jan 23, 2004

my mistake, it wasn't on the prev. page. thanks phoenix

that's the one, I forgot where I put it now.

Routerider · Jan 23, 2004

Jet Black said:
Europe just confirmed the existance of water in the ice at the poles. keep an eye on the news duder

Geeze, Europeans are so slow...we westerners have know about water at the poles for centuries. ^_^

*eyes bug out*

Wait, were you referring to Mars? :sorry:

napajohn · Jan 23, 2004

Routerider said:
Geeze, Europeans are so slow...we westerners have know about water at the poles for centuries.

*eyes bug out*

Wait, were you referring to Mars?

well we'll just wait to see the development of this story..remember that NASA announced that life existed on mars based on some meteorite..and the controversy around that..who knows maybe NASA and European scientists are creating an equivalent of a space race..but this one is the proof of life on mars..I'm open to the developments.

Jet Black · Jan 23, 2004

I think we knew about water at the poles before you Americans even existed, cheeky young scamps!

Jet Black · Jan 23, 2004

napajohn said:
well we'll just wait to see the development of this story..remember that NASA announced that life existed on mars based on some meteorite..and the controversy around that..who knows maybe NASA and European scientists are creating an equivalent of a space race..but this one is the proof of life on mars..I'm open to the developments.

who said anything about life on mars, it's just water ice dude.

kaotic · Jan 23, 2004

YEC! said:
There aint no water on mars!

Heh check this out. "Mars Express Confirms Water Ice on Red Planet"

http://space.com/missionlaunches/express_water_040123.html

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