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What is your definition of the "human sinful nature"?
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mepalmer3
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ishepherdu said:
human sinful nature?
Well, we are humans, so our nature by definition would be "human nature". And the sin comes from humans (ie, God didn't create the sin).
We are sinful and we seem to have tendencies to sin. By all accounts we seem to have sinful instincts.
We do live in a very fallen world.
Finally, without God we don't have the capacity to be moral people.
So logically it is appropriate to say we have a "human sinful nature".
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I_LOVE_DA_J-DAWG
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Well as I understand it a human being cannot commit a sin if they are unaware of what they are doing and if they accidently commit sin they should not be held responsible because sin is a part of human nature.
"To live a lie without sin is like to have never lived at all."--Ronald Patterson II
"To live a lie without sin is like to have never lived at all."--Ronald Patterson II
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mepalmer3
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I_LOVE_DA_J-DAWG said:
I think it might be accurate to say our sin is less than what it would have been if we didn't know it was wrong.
But here's an analogy. A while back in a coed soccer match someone slide-tackled someone else. They didn't know slide-tackling is not allowed in coed soccer. The ref took that into consideration and didn't card him. But it was still a foul and the other team got a free kick from that spot.
Human nature isn't a defense for doing what is wrong, especially if God speaks to all people to tell them what is right/wrong. We can't remain "stupid" for the sake of being somehow less blamed.
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]One basis of the sinful human nature is religion. All religious people are sinners by hubris, and damned to eternal torment.[/
Anovah said:
Batman's pretty smart. Even as a Christian I came to see Original Sin as an absurdity. Our instincts aren't to sin, they're to survive. When those instincts come into conflict with the next guy's instincts, that's when the trouble starts.
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mepalmer3
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MuAndNu said:
Our instincts are to survive? Are all of our instincts to survive? Do we ONLY have a survival instinct? Is the sexual instinct a survival instinct? Do we die if we don't have sex?
Your statement seems to be to be an apples and oranges statement.
It's like saying, "I've always thought that people don't have a hunger instinct because they have a friendship instinct." What does surviving have to do with doing what is right/wrong?
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nadroj1985
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mepalmer3 said:
That's one of the main reasons I see our basic drive more as a Nietzschean will to power than a will to survive. Fundamentally, we don't want to just maintain our boundaries, but extend them. That explains more effectively the sexual instinct, among other things.
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mepalmer3 said:
Whoa! Where did I say all of our instincts are to survive?
mepalmer3 said:
The race dies if we don't. So, yes.
mepalmer3 said:
It's nothing of the kind. The issue here is sin, not right vs wrong. It's wrong we're talking about. Indeed, I suspect it would be impossible to point a single real wrong that doesn't arise from our instinct to survive.
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