Heya Acts,
I made a vital mistake in our discussion. I thought you meant the fall of Babylon and misunderstood the whole concept and context of a lot of possibilities.
WOW! blow me down and call me stupid ,
I see what your saying. This was nebacadnezar-defeating Israel as you have said.
I have been doing a lot of study lately with a friend and I have been checking out a lot of things. I got to tell you, my position on so many things is changing and I need to do hours of study to get a good grip on all the things that make me curious.
The stuff we have started to discuss has blown me away!!!
I first picked up that you meant Israelis destruction by nebacadnesar and not Babylons fall, sorry about that, it was a vital mistake to being able to stay on the same wavelength.
So I went and read Isaiah ch 13 were I thought once before that it sounded exactly like Babylons fall and so when rereading that I saw that there were symbols like the sun and the moon doing back flips,
, there was also references to the lord coming in the clouds and I started to see the whole picture. The lord coming in clouds or chariots seems to defiantly mean that he is coming in the cloud of an army going into battle.
What makes it interesting is that it uses these end time events hear as well as other places that have all happened. I wonder if this is symbolic of warfare and the powers that are in battle???
The thing is that this is defiantly when Babylon fell to Cyrus and his persian army.
the reason isiah says median army was because cyrus had defeated them and then used the median army in his persian empire making it the median-persian empire. at the time Isiah wrote this prophesy the persians and medians were still seperated.
This is were it seems to be convincing me that the vocabulary of using these words like great day of the lord and the sun and moon and all the rest of the over exaggerated stuff the prophets seem to go on about
.
I have seen other destructive periods spoken of in the same symbolism as this.
Verse 10 - 11
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay
low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Punish the world would still be on a world scale as Babylon was the world ruler (of the known world) the world empire was over thrown.
Verse 13
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her
place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce
anger.
I had this vision and this is what I saw;
WHEN YOU SEE THE ARMYS COMING WITH HUGE THUNDERING AND CLOUDS OF RED DUST THAT DARKEN THE SUN AND MOON AND SHAKE TERROBLY THE EARTH WHILE THEY FIGHT WITH FIRE BALLS BLAZING OUT OF THE SKY FROM ALL SIDES POUNDING THE EARTH AND QUAKING THE EARTH EXCEEDINGLY WITH EXPLOSIONS.
I SUPOSE IF YOU CAN PUT YOURSELF IN AN ANCIENT BATTLEFIELD WITH HUGE ARMYS BUILT FROM WORLD RULING NATIONS, THE SHAKING EARTH AND CLOUDS OF DUST AND NOISE OF THUNDERING CHARIOTS AND HORSES AND THE BLOOD ,SMOKE AND FIRE FALLING FROM THE SKY AND THEN CLASH
CAN YOU SEE HOW THAT IS ALMOST A LITRAL OCCURANCE AS A HUGE ARMY ATTACKS A CITY OR ARMY ON THE FIELD.
Some say that Babylon will raise back up for this to happen more literally in the end of the world but this prophesy says that Babylon will be like Sodom and Gomorra and it pretty much is to this day and so if someone were to build there a city again it would be braking gods decree.
So, after reading chapter 13 and seeing all of this concerning Babylons fall, it got me thinking about chapter 24 more deeply.
YES, I defiantly see this as nebacadnesar coming and destroying Israel and taking Judah into captivity.
I am defiantly seeing what you were saying about how the bible says things like, utterly emptied when there was a remnant there still or for ever and ever which never meant for that long at all.
This is what I saw, my eyes have been opened!!!
See, if I had of realized that you were talking about Israel then I think I would have cottoned on.
The first 5 verses of ch 24 are talking about making the land of Israel empty and scattering the inhabitance abroad.
Verse six is the result of nebbacadnesars army burning and pillaging the land of Israel until there was only a remnant left.
It goes on through to verse 15.
Im not to shore about these scriptures that follow on though.
From verse 16 - 23.
I see that Israel never rose again although Judah did but when it says, oh inhabitance of the earth!! I would have expected ,oh inhabitance of the land or of Israel but the whole earth???
What do you make of these verses in context with the whole chapter because I am getting the impression that it is talking about the judgment on the kings and the fallen angels spoken of in Jude and peter and revelations.
I then think that would put the whole chapter in a different light.
What do you make of these last verses Acts???
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you but I am in limbo on a lot of these things lately.
BULWARK.