To the point Trinity

i always get confused with the Trinity. People explain it as the example of water: vapour, ice, liquid.
But howcome God calls Jesus the son of God?
but then it's God in three forms..

"But howcome God calls Jesus the son of God?
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Its a title of authority, read Pslams 2.

THE "ONLY TRUE GOD" IS THE FATHER ONLY

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
{25} For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
{26} The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
{27} For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
{28} And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

2 Thessalonians 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

REFERENCES TO FATHER & SON BUT NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A *THIRD* PERSON

2 John 1:3
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

1 Timothy 5:21
I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Titus 1:4
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Ephesians 1:2
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Gery,

I was thinking of those verses in II Timothy also as I was reading the above posts. You put into words in minutes what was going to take me an hour. God bless you brother, I am happy to see someone so well versed on here.

Zach

What about Isaiah 9:6, where the Son of God is called the Father?

This verse is very interesting, and is often used to prove that Christ is the Father in the trinity. Yet when we take a closer look at the verse we find that this verse in no way supports a trinity doctrine. “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting 5703 [for ever (of future time)&] Father, The Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6) Is Christ the Father? If so, how can He be the Son? And if He is both Father and Son, how can there be a trinity, for a trinity is three individuals. This verse is obviously not supporting of a trinity doctrine.

Jesus is referred to as a Father. A Father of whom? Of the children which His Father gave Him. Referring to Christ, Paul stated, “And again, I will put my trust in Him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.” (Hebrews 2:13)

In Isaiah 9:6, Christ is called everlasting, which is appropriate, since He will last forever. He is called Father, not of Himself, but of the children which God has given Him.

Notice also that Isaiah 9:6 says that “His name shall be called… The mighty God”. Some may use this phrase to mean that Christ is the supreme God. This would be a good argument if the verse had referred to Christ as the Almighty God, however it uses the term mighty God. We read of mighty men, but never of Almighty men. It certainly is appropriate to refer to the Son as mighty, for He is powerful. It is also appropriate to refer to Him as God, for the Almighty God Himself refers to His Son as God in Hebrews 1:8, 9. Therefore the terms everlasting Father and the mighty God can rightly apply to the Son of God.

But doesn’t the Bible say that God and Christ are one?

Yes. But in the same way it says that Christians should be one. Christians do not become one human. Neither do the Father and His Son become one God. It simply means that They are in unity as we are to be in unity.

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one. (John 17:21-23)

Originally posted by Gerry
I really do appreciate your comments 2002Christian. But I am afraid that no matter how you try to explain God, you will always fail.

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Oh, but your belief is right and scriptural.

*Mod hat on*

Hey I understand that this is a topic we could all get passionate about, but let's try and be polite here. No reason to ruin a good debate, right?

*Mod hat off*

Coastie

2002 Christian
When we are born again...we are in the image of God.
The body, the soul and the spirit.
Can you tell me how this is so? Also where is The Fathers body if we are created in his image??
GEL

1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

The Spirit of God is not a Person separate and distinct from the Person of God (the Father), unless you believe that your spirit is a person separate and distinct from the person that is you. But you don't believe that do you, GEL? Can you tell me how this is so? Why is it that the Spirit of God knows the things of God, but the Father doesn't? Why is it that the Spirit of God knows the things of God, but the Son doesn't?


Luke 10, NASB
22 "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."

Why doesn't the "Third Person of the Godhead" know these things? Can you tell me how this is so?

Who says the image of God is defined by "body, the soul and the spirit?"

Exactly HOW would you define the image of GOD???
He is way more than a spirit.
GEL

"Exactly HOW would you define the image of GOD???"
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II Cor 4:4. In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Col.1:15. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

Heb.1:3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

Basicaly, the way I see, God doesn't have an image, He is invisible. If you want to know what God looks like then you will have to look at Jesus. He is God in the flesh. Anytime God was seen in the OT, IMO, it was his image that was seen and His image is that of Jesus. Anytime God was seen on the throne in the OT, it was Jesus glorified who was seen, even though he was not on the throne, it was his image that was shown.

"Basicaly, the way I see, God doesn't have an image, He is invisible. If you want to know what God looks like then you will have to look at Jesus. "

Hmm..aren't we made in the image of God?

Sorry, God is invisible. We were created in the image of Jesus, who is the image of God. God doesn't have an image, and in the beginning before creation he already had a plan for man and the salvation of man, Jesus, and created man after the plan, Jesus, who is God in the flesh.

If God is invisible, and we are made in His image, wouldn't we be invisible, too, if we have a certain definition of image?

I think we are missing the point about what "the image of God" really means.

Does anyone have a reply to my former post?