P.O.D.

If you have to add words to make it clear that it is Christian then it is probably not. They may well be Christians and in a band but they are not a Christian band. They are certainly not teaching the gospel. There is not Christ and the cross anywhere in their music, there is no resurrection, there is no grace. Therefore there is no gospel. They are even apparently ashamed to be associated with Christians. This is a problem. They may well be Christians but they certainly are not teaching the gospel as Paul taught it and yes that is important. If you don't believe me on that point I will gladly post scripture to back up my position.

I am not opposed to listening to secular music, but I am all for calling a duck a duck. And this band my brothers and sisters is a duck!

they do this so they can be played where other christian bands cant b/c no1 will listen...this way they at least have hope

If they are not teaching Christ then they are not a Christian band, this is a pretty simple equation. Look at Thrice for instance, one of my favorite bands:

Betrayal Is A Symptom
Thrice

Faith,
is not something that I grasp
it's something that I fake,
as I'm slipping, as I'm falling through the cracks,
Faith
without actions is a mask,
for making the same mistakes
as I'm slipping as I'm falling through the cracks.

somehow I find beauty in our failings,
somehow I find meaning in these lies
somehow I'm made perfect in this fracture,
your back is begging sweetly for my knives,

I'm spilling blood,
glancing down to hide my face,
I walk with eyes closed tight through monuments of grace,

somehow I find beauty in our failings,
somehow I find meaning in these lies
somehow I'm made perfect in this fracture,
your back is begging sweetly for my knives!

my faith is a front, I'm spilling blood,
glancing down to hide my face, I walk with eyes closed
through monuments of grace, I'm spilling blood
glancing down to hide my face I walk with eyes closed
through monuments of grace

isn't it sweet how,
trusted with angels,
and how so quickly
I break my promises?
isn't it sweet, isn't it sweet, isn't it sweet, isn't it sweet?

This song is about his struggle with faith, faith in the Lord Jesus. He states this about the song unabashedly. However Thrice is not a Christian band. They play great music but a few songs about spirituality do not a Christian band make. Could this song from Thrice lead someone to look into the scriptures to see what he is talking about, of course it could, but it does it make the band a Christian band? By no means.

Let's get one thing straight, P.O.D. themselves claim they are not a "christian band." They decided not to be that because they want to sing about things other than God once in a while and they want to reach out non-christians in places like Ozzfest. "Christian bands" can't do either of those. Isn't going to Ozzfest (a concert blatenly for the devil) to minister a good thing, not a bad thing. Lots of non-christians hate just being straight up preached at. So they have the be a little more subtle and just simply show God's love. Sure not all their songs are about God but they all display Christian values.

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P.O.D. Cincy Warrior said:

Isn't going to Ozzfest (a concert blatenly for the devil) to minister a good thing, not a bad thing. Lots of non-christians hate just being straight up preached at. So they have the be a little more subtle and just simply show God's love. Sure not all their songs are about God but they all display Christian values.

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How do they minister to people? Just singing about stuff that seems uplifting doesn't mean anything, you could say that about any number of bands and singers. Look at Leann Rimes (sp?) and Celine Dion. They both sing uplifting songs about love, does that make them christian? no. Even Michael Jackson sings many uplifting songs that appear to have a christian feel to them ("Heal The World", "We Are The World", both of which even talk about God, and "The Man in The Mirror come immediately to mind).

If you don't believe they've ministered to people, check out this relatively short link of people who found Christ through P.O.D. -- http://www.warriorklan.com/warriors/testimonies/

P.O.D. is a band with Christian band members. They are not a "Christian band" and have never claimed to be.

Ok, let's look at it this way. Let's look at a Christian band, Jars of Clay for example. I love this band, but if you look at ALL their songs, not ALL of them refer anything to God, but they are still a Christian band and no one claims anything different. Why should P.O.D? Just because they play on a secular label? So does Switchfoot. Because they play for people that most other Christian bands cannot play for? Isn't that what Christians do? Take the Gospel to the lost? I love Christian music and bands, but honestly at their concerts they sing to the choir. P.O.D may not be termed a "Christian" band, but they still share the gospel to who needs to hear it, the lost. Take it from me a man of experience, who has seen P.O.D, they share the good news and people get saved at their concerts. What more does people want? They played at Ichthus festival a few years ago, and that's a Christian festival.

P.O.D shouldn't be put in the mix with Evenescence. They used the Christian industry to jump start their careers. I have never seen, nor heard of P.O.D denying Christ or wondering why their cd's are sold in a Christian bookstore. No, not all of P.O.D's songs mention God, but check the list of every other Christian artist out there and see if they do. What about Switchfoot, Pillar or Kutless? Check out their songs and you'll see what I mean. P.O.D's music is positive and uplifting. In their newest album Sonny says, "I want that unmistakable Jah glow." Their wanting to shine for God. And based on those quotes from Marcos? Well he's not a part of the band anymore and it's because of his differences of beliefs. But P.O.D does take the gospel where they go, I've seen them.

flesh99 said:

Take me to the promised land. Where I and I is free,
Jah set my mind my mind at ease. . .
Set your eyes to Zion
Jah Jah people ride on

That is from POD and not Christian, that is straight up Rasta!

And how about their own words?

"You were recently criticized by Christian radio talk-show host Dr. Dobson for forsaking your religious beliefs by touring with Ozzfest and Korn".
WUV: We respect the man, but he never had a conversation with us. Just because P.O.D. are a spiritual band doesn’t mean we adhere to any one religion, and all kinds of people want to use us as a symbol for their thing. There’s a thousand different definitions of what a Christian is, but we don’t feel like there are any lines."
(Rolling Stone, Dec. 14-21, 2000, p. 102)

G1- P.O.D. is known for its religious beliefs, and Ozzfest can easily be viewed as a debauchery— you know, sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. Is there a conflict of interest?
MC- Yeah, but we're not necessarily a Christian band. We are, to an extent, a rock band that loves God, and we're not ashamed of that."
(Interview with Guitar One)

Q: Are you or are you not a Christian band?
A: We’re not, but we do believe in Jesus. We don’t mention Jesus in our songs, though. . ."
(www.movieline.com, 11.00.1999)

"To tell the truth, though, I don’t even like the term Christian. . . "
Marcos, POD
(Guitar Legends, No. 37, p.28)

"I don't even like saying I'm a Christian sometimes because it leaves such a bad taste in people's mouths."
Sonny, P.O.D.
(Spin Mag, Ocotober 2001, p. 88)

I am not saying their music isn't great, if that's your thing. I am not one of those people who think that we should only listen to Christian music 24/7, not by any stretch. But POD sure aren't a Christian band. They may be Christians and in a band together, but that does not a Christian band make. Lets just call a duck, a duck and be done with it. I would be worried if I were them though:

Revelation 3:16
So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Lets see how that fits with their saying they don't like even the term Christian. I am sorry if that sounded like it has a tone. I actually liked them somewhat until I found that they are ashamed of od being associated with Christ by being called Christians.

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THANKU SO MUCH!!! POD has had me confused for the longest time, going back and forth trying to figure out if I should listen to them. THANKU THANKU THANKU

Flesh, the simple thing is that they veiw christianity different than you, get over it

flesh99 said:

If you have to add words to make it clear that it is Christian then it is probably not. They may well be Christians and in a band but they are not a Christian band. They are certainly not teaching the gospel. There is not Christ and the cross anywhere in their music, there is no resurrection, there is no grace. Therefore there is no gospel. They are even apparently ashamed to be associated with Christians. This is a problem. They may well be Christians but they certainly are not teaching the gospel as Paul taught it and yes that is important. If you don't believe me on that point I will gladly post scripture to back up my position.

I am not opposed to listening to secular music, but I am all for calling a duck a duck. And this band my brothers and sisters is a duck!

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ok whether or not they are a christian band doesn't matter, because what they do they do to spread the message of god...and minister to the secular community...if they put Jesus or Christ and Cross in their songs over and over they would be automatically denied by the secular community, but by being more artistic in their wording, they are first appreciated for their talent and people listen on the radio for the sound, buy the cd, read the lyrics, think about them, and maybe they search for christ...maybe they don't but chances are most people think about it once at least...i know i did...

I would like to ask this... and I have said many times in this thread and the other thread about POD

WHAT IS A CHRISTIAN BAND????????

Think about it....

This song I think is thier most powerful and also declares what they truly stand for.

PREACH by POD

Let it be know that you heard it from here
When I'm on this microphone you know I make myself clear
With the power, with the love with the boldness
Look in my eyes and remember wo told you this
Payable on Death gonna hit ya hit-man
Talk all you want, I don't fear any man
Cuz ya frontin' ain't nothin but words to me
You never had the stuff and your butt ain't crazy enough
To handle, we come step to me
My King is He in the power of Three
So what you want you ain't down with us
You get so scared, so mad when I say the word Jesus
I ain't down, you preach too much
But if you ask me boy, I don't think I preach enough
I tell you God is real, so don't miss the boat
But since we come off hard, you say we shove it down your throats
You wanna talk that talk, walk that walk
I'm the only person you see, but it ain't me that you mock
Man is nothing, but you think that you're bad
Fool if it wasn't for my God, I would have already had you
Deny His name are you willing to admit it
And if so, are you willing to die for it
Cuz I am, He is my life and I don't fear death
Cuz he already paid the Price
All your talk and are your threats ain't jack blaspheme my God
Yo punk I'm not having that, turn away it's your own loss
Cuz all I can do is just take them to the cross

The bold Italics underlined parts clearly is the gospel.... nuff said.

theres more as well... but this will do.

A "Christian band" is a band who's mission as a band is to spread the Word through their music.

Subtotal said:

A "Christian band" is a band who's mission as a band is to spread the Word through their music.

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Awesome, i can go with that.

POD has reached more people than what most CMM muscicians ever would just for the simple fact they are secular.

God is about Love, and showing... POD is a light in the dark, not a fading light being consumed.

p.o.d. has touches an uncounted number of ppl through their music...i know five friends who have come to christ b/c they heard p.o.d. on the radion station..asked me what some of the stuff met..and then i invited them to church and gave them a couple relient k and grits cd's....they spread Gods word

I found this at warriorklan.com

[size=+1]Bible References in P.O.D. songs[/size]

[size=+1]Matthew 22:14[/size] For many are called, but few [are] chosen.
[size=+1]Boom[/size] "Many were called, but the chosen are few"


[size=+1]Matthew 15:14[/size] Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
[size=+1]Youth of the Nation[/size] "It’s the blind leading the blind"


[size=+1]Matthew 7:15[/size] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[size=+1]Ridiculous[/size] "Beware of the false prophets, because they got my people bugg'n"


[size=+1]Revelation 5:5[/size] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah....
[size=+1]The Messenjah[/size] "We pursue the conquering lion of the Tribe of Judah"


[size=+1]Isaiah 40:3[/size] A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD ; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.
[size=+1]The Messenjah[/size] "Make straight through the path of the one voice calling"

[size=+1]Matthew 13:16[/size] But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
[size=+1]Greetings[/size] "So if you have eyes to see, and if you have ears to hear"

[size=+1]Psalm 3:5[/size] I laid me down and slept; I awaked; for the LORD sustained me.
[size=+1]Lie Down[/size] "I lie down, I sleep, when I wake, sustain me"


[size=+1]Luke 23:34a[/size] Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
[size=+1]Set Your Eyes to Zion[/size] "Forgive them Lord, for they not know that what they do, people blame it on you"


[size=+1]Revelation 1:14[/size] His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire;
[size=+1]Image[/size] "White wool; fire eyes, glowing in red"

[size=+1]Mark 13:13[/size] And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake:
[size=+1]Freestyle[/size] "Hated by many and loved by less"

[size=+1]Matthew 16:26[/size] For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
[size=+1]Follow Me[/size] "What good is for a man to gain the whole world yet lose or forfeit his very self?"


[size=+1]Matthew 16:24b[/size] ...let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
[size=+1]Follow Me[/size] "He must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me"


[size=+1]Mark 8:38[/size] Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
[size=+1]Follow Me[/size] "If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, then I will be ashamed of him"


[size=+1]Matthew 16:28[/size] Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
[size=+1]Follow Me[/size] "I tell you the truth, some of you who are standing here will not taste death before they see Jah Creation come with his power"


[size=+1]Mark 8:37[/size] Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
[size=+1]Follow Me[/size] "What can a man give in exchange for his own soul he can not save?"

[size=+1]Job 38:3[/size] Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
[size=+1]Outkast[/size] "Brace yourself like a man!"

[size=+1]Matthew 6:26a[/size] Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap,
[size=+1]Know Me[/size] "Reap what I've sown"

[size=+1]Leviticus 19:17[/size] Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
[size=+1]Know Me[/size] "How can you say, you love me, when you hate your brother"

[size=+1]Joel 2:28[/size] And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
[size=+1]Visions[/size] "And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions"

[size=+1]Isaiah 47:1[/size] Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: [there is] no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
[size=+1]Breathe Babylon[/size] "Sit down in the dust, Babylon without a throne to call your own Is 47:1"


[size=+1]Isaiah 21:9a[/size] Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.
[size=+1]Breathe Babylon[/size] "the city has fallen, she has fallen. Golden images of its gods lie shattered on the Ground."

[size=+1]Ephesians 2:2[/size] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
[size=+1]Breathe Babylon[/size] "Blow up the ruler of the air"

[size=+1]Hebrews 13:6[/size] I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
[size=+1]Preach[/size] "I don't fear any man"

[size=+1]Matthew 21:21b[/size] but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
[size=+1]Full Color[/size] "With you I could move mountains, right now I'm helpless"

[size=+1]Luke 15:24a[/size] For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.
[size=+1]Seeking the Wise[/size] "Before I was lost, but now I am found"


[size=+1]Matthew 26: 52b[/size] ...for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
[size=+1]Live and Die[/size] "Live by the sword, die by the sword."

[size=+1]John 20:31[/size] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
[size=+1]Coming Back[/size] "That we have we have life through my Lord Christ Jesus"


[size=+1]Acts 10:13[/size] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[size=+1]Acts 10:14[/size] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[size=+1]Acts 10:15[/size] And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
[size=+1]Who Is Right?[/size] "So get up Peter, kill and eat 'surely not Lord this meat is unclean' for my Lord makes nothing unclean"


[size=+1]Acts 10:34 [/size]Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[size=+1]Acts 10:35[/size] But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
[size=+1]Who Is Right?[/size] "Then Peter began to speak, I now realize how God does not show favortism, but accepts man from every nation who fear Him"


[size=+1]Psalm 13:1[/size] [[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] How long wilt thou forget me, O LORD? for ever? how long wilt thou hide thy face from me?
[size=+1]Psalm 13:2[/size] How long shall I take counsel in my soul, [having] sorrow in my heart daily? how long shall mine enemy be exalted over me?
[size=+1]Psalm 13:3[/size] Consider [and] hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the [sleep of] death;
[size=+1]Psalm 13:4[/size] Lest mine enemy say, I have prevailed against him; [and] those that trouble me rejoice when I am moved.
[size=+1]Psalm 13:5[/size] But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.
[size=+1]Psalm 13:6[/size] I will sing unto the LORD, because he hath dealt bountifully with me.
[size=+1]Run[/size] "How long, O Lord? Will you forget me forever? How long will You hide Your face from me? How long must I wrestle with my thoughts and everyday have sorrow in my heart how long will my enemy triumph over me? Look on me and answer, O Lord my God give light to my eyes or I will sleep in death my enemy will say 'I have overcome him' and my foes rejoice when I fall but I still believe in You Lord, And I know that You're real, You're so real Lord Come and take me from this place Lord Everyday I will follow and seek your face Lord But I trust in your unfailing love my heart rejoices your salvation I will sing to you my Lord for He has been, for He has been good to me"


[size=+1]Ephesians 6:12[/size] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
[size=+1]Ephesians 6:13a[/size] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,
[size=+1]Three in the Power of One[/size] "We wrestle not with flesh and blood but with the principalities of darkness so put on your armor of God"


[size=+1]Philippians 2:9[/size] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[size=+1]Philippians 2:10[/size] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
[size=+1]Philippians 2:11[/size] And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
[size=+1]Every Knee[/size] "Wherefore, God had highly exalted Him and given Him a name which is above every name, and at the feet of Jesus every knee shall bow of things of Heaven, of things of Earth, and things under this Earth and at the name of Jesus, every tongue shall confess that He is King, under God the Father"


[size=+1]John 1:1[/size] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[size=+1]Every Knee[/size] "That in the beginning was the word the word was with God the Word was God"
[size=+1]John 1:13[/size] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[size=+1]John 1:14[/size] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[size=+1]Every Knee[/size] "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, full of grace and truth"

Just thought id put that in here to show that POD do have biblical references in their songs. I think they are a great band and heaps of people have been saved because of them.

**APPLAUDES**

Very awesome post, Godchick... thank you.

Flesh, your comments?

xtxArchxAngelxtx said:

Flesh, the simple thing is that they veiw christianity different than you, get over it

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They may view things differently but in the end it all comes down to their view of God and if that agrees with the Bible
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

I understand they dun proclaim from the mt tops that they are christians and I cant see their hearts but...We are not to be ashamed of our faith.

So Christian or nonchristian...what are they?

Clytie said:

They may view things differently but in the end it all comes down to their view of God and if that agrees with the Bible
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

I understand they dun proclaim from the mt tops that they are christians and I cant see their hearts but...We are not to be ashamed of our faith.

So Christian or nonchristian...what are they?

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Yes, indeed in the end it all comes down to their view of God.

The REAL question, for those judging, condemning, rebuking over and over, using publicity, self righteous judgement and even the media, is that what if you're wrong about them?

Regardless who's views they are, there are christians out there, saturated in pessimism, slander and pride who will ALWAYS see good fruits as evil.


Solution? If you think POD are wicked, then you keep it to yourself and God. God will be the judge of that. This includes all other christians you "think" are wicked. If you have a problem with what they are doing that you believe is wrong, you silence you tongue.