Calling all those with a personal STRONGS concordance

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/1116179540-2011.html

Immer = "he hath said"

1) a priest in David's time

2) a priest in Jeremiah's time

3) the father of Zadok the priest
4) an ancestor of a priest

564 - Immer - im-mare from 559. Talkative; Immer, the name of five Isr.

(and for ref: 559 - Amar -- aw-mar; a prim. root; to say (used with great latitude)...

Do you have a scripture(s)

Immer
1 Chr 9:12, 1 Chr 24:14, Ezr 2:37, Ezr 2:59, Ezr 10:20, Neh 3:29, Neh 7:40, Neh 7:61, Neh 11:13, Jer 20:1

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Chronicles 9:12 - Show Context 'Adayah the son of Yerocham the son of Pash'chur the son of Malkiyah, Ma'asai the son of 'Adi'el the son of Yachzerah the son of Meshulam the son of Meshilmit the son of Immer,

1 Chronicles 24:14 - Show Context the fifteenth for Bilgah, the sixteenth for Immer,

Ezra 2:37 - Show Context descendants of Immer

Ezra 2:59 - Show Context The following went up from Tel-Melach, Tel-Harsha, K'ruv, Adan and Immer; but they could not state which fathers' clan they or their children belonged to, [so it was not clear] whether they were from Isra'el:

Ezra 10:20 - Show Context Of the sons of Immer: Hanani and Z'vadyah;

Nehemiah 3:29 - Show Context After them Tzadok the son of Immer made repairs opposite his house. After him Sh'ma'yah the son of Sh'khanyah, the keeper of the East Gate, made repairs.

Nehemiah 7:39 - Show Context "The cohanim: descendants of Y'da'yah, of the house of Yeshua 973 descendants of Immer 1,052 41 descendants of Pash'chur 1,247 42 descendants of Harim 1,017 43 "The L'vi'im: descendants of Yeshua, of Kadmi'el, of the descendants of Hodvah 74 44 "The singers: descendants of Asaf 148 45 "The gatekeepers: descendants of Shalum, descendants of Ater, descendants of Talmon, descendants of 'Akuv, descendants of Hatita, and descendants of Shovai 138 46 "The temple servants: descendants of Tzicha, descendants of Hasufa, descendants of Taba'ot, 47 descendants of Keros, descendants of Si'a, descendants of Padon, 48 descendants of L'vanah, descendants of Hagava, descendants of Salmai, 49 descendants of Hanan, descendants of Giddel, descendants of Gachar, 50 descendants of Re'ayah, descendants of Retzin, descendants of N'koda, 51 descendants of Gazam, descendants of 'Uza, descendants of Paseach, 52 descendants of Besai, descendants of Me'unim, descendants of N'fish'sim, 53 descendants of Bakbuk, descendants of Hakufa, descendants of Harhur, 1138 54 descendants of Batzlit, descendants of M'chida, descendants of Harsha, 55 descendants of Barkos, descendants of Sisra, descendants of Temach, 56 descendants of N'tziach, and descendants of Hatifa. 57 "The descendants of Shlomo's servants: descendants of Sotai, descendants of Soferet, descendants of P'rida, 58 descendants of Ya'lah, descendants of Darkon, descendants of Giddel, 59 descendants of Sh'fatyah, descendants of Hatil, descendants of Pokheret-Hatzvayim, and descendants of Amon. 60 "All the temple servants and the descendants of Shlomo's servants numbered 392 61 "The following went up from Tel-Melach, Tel-Harsha, K'ruv, Adon and Immer; but they could not state which fathers' clan they and their children belonged to, [so it was not clear] whether they were from Isra'el:

Nehemiah 11:13 - Show Context with his kinsmen, heads of fathers' clans, 242; and 'Amash'sai the son of 'Azar'el, the son of Achzai, the son of Meshillemot, the son of Immer;

Jeremiah 20:1 - Show Context Now when the cohen Pash'chur son of Immer, chief official in the house of ADONAI, heard Yirmeyahu prophesying these things,

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why ... what's up?

Zayit said:

I need a check, you cannot use the online version ( at least not Crosswalks') because that is what I am checking against.

Strongs #564 HEBREW the word is 'IMMER' what does your concordance say is the meaning of this word?

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#564 is a noun that is a proper name. It comes from a root (alef mem resh) that means to speak.

#563 is a noun from the same root (alef mem resh) and is only used three times in scripture and is translated lamb. The references are Ezra 6:9, 6:17, 7:17.

In the text the full word is 'immrin' !yrMa What is really interesting is all the words used to describe the different animals in this area are unusual. When things like this happens it is a bigger statement that is being said.

For example there are several words that can be used for 'idol'. There is one in particular that comes from a root that means worthless. When this one is used and you read the text you can't help realizing that idols are worthless. So there is a connectedness if you will when you see unusual words used for something that there is already a common word - like lamb.

So, while the concordance that I have was printed in 1980 and it does not give the definition as lamb for #564 I can see why the one you have may have included it because of those three references in Ezra. The root is the same but the vowels are different.

It is the proper name of a person. As to the meaning of the name - the majority of the references would be for the basic meaning of the three root letters (something to do with 'speak').

As to the meaning of the word used in Ezra we have a connection with 'lamb' and 'speak' (this lamb speaks kind of thing). Really interesting isn't it? I love Hebrew - it has the ability to communicate in a way other languages don't

I believe that the word in Ezra is Aramaic not Hebrew. The etymology is uncertain. Perhaps it is a loan word from another language with no connection to the root 'amar.

The word 'immer has the form of a 3ms piel perfect. Interestingly 'amar does not occur in the Tanakh in the piel.

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/translation/hebrew/%25D7%2590%25D7%259E%25D7%25A8

Language Hebrew

Expression אמר

English Translation say, saying, utterance, word.

shmuel said:

I believe that the word in Ezra is Aramaic not Hebrew.

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Aramaic has the same basic meaning for this root as Hebrew .

Zayit said:

I am wondering if the word used in 1 Chron 24 could also mean "lambs speaks" or "lamb speaking"???

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b/c of context I would not make the connection with lamb in this case.

Well, when you have a word that (in this case a noun 'immer') you take it back to the root to find the basic meaning. So, the noun in question here a proper name goes back to the root amar 'speak'.

Now the next word (another noun 'immrin' translated as lamb) again goes back to the root amar 'speak'.

So, the nouns don't define each other they both go back to the root. The concordance you have mixed them together but they are two different nouns. There is a connectedness but you have to be careful. When reading poetic areas this happens more than one thinks and when you get familiar with the way the language functions it is not so uncomfortable.

Did that make sense?

Aramaic has the same basic meaning for this root as Hebrew .

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But we don't know for sure that it comes from the root meaning speak. There is conjecture as to its etymology. It could be a loan word. This is not according to me but according to BDB.

I am wondering if the word used in 1 Chron 24 could also mean "lambs speaks" or "lamb speaking"???

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That would require two words, one for lamb and one for speaks. In Hebrew there are a number of nouns and verbs from the same root, for example, "question", and "ask". In order to say "he asked a question" you use both words, "sha'al she'elah". Another example, he ate food = 'akhal 'okhel.

I respect and appreciate BDB. It is however just one of many sources

Zayit if you like we can PM.