Why are we teaching Evolution, when the majority believe in Creation?

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We were talking about Creationists efforts to sway popular opinion in another thread here is a bill being proposed to broaden the powers of the Texas School Board to edit content (but strangely in science the focus is evolution not other science topics like gravity etc.) The rep who is proposing this states that Creationism should have equal if not more time in science classrooms due to its greater popularity with citizens.

As if science is a democracy and people vote on what is a theory or not. If there had been a vote when Germ theory was being introduced people would still be dying of smallpox and other diseases because the majority thought that disease was caused by sin.

here is the entire article...


Expanded board role proposed

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By R.A. Dyer
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Star-Telegram Austin Bureau
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AUSTIN - Biblical creationism could be taught side by side with evolution in science textbooks under legislation pending in the Texas House, according to the bill's sponsor.

State Rep. Charlie Howard, R-Sugar Land, said his House Bill 220 would give the elected State Board of Education more control over the content of school textbooks. Students should get information about creationism if they are being taught about evolution, and he said his legislation could lead the way.

"I don't believe in evolution -- I believe in creation," he said. "Some of our books right now only teach evolution, [but] if you're going to teach one, you ought to teach both."

The Houston-area lawmaker also said the State Board of Education, a Republican-controlled body with strong representation by social conservatives, should have the discretion to remove evolution segments from science textbooks.

"Evolution is a theory," he said. "It is a theory, it's not a fact. There is no fact for evolution, none. ... Why are we teaching a theory, when we have [another] position -- creation -- that the majority of the people in this country believe?"

Howard's legislation would give the State Board of Education authority to "adopt guidelines that define general textbook content standards," including standards related to curriculum requirements.

HB 220 also calls for textbooks to remain free from "errors of commission or omission related to viewpoint discrimination or special interest advocacy on major issues, as determined by the State Board of Education."

Don't be bamboozled, said Texas Freedom Network President Kathy Miller: HB 220 represents a step backward for Texas education.

"There will be diluting of history, a narrowing of perspectives and a removal of factual information if it doesn't fit with the personal and religious beliefs of whatever majority controls the board," said Miller, whose group opposes the religious right in state politics.

State board member Terri Leo, a social conservative Republican from Houston, said the legislation would simply restore to the state board its historic authority over textbooks.

"Without SBOE authority to establish general textbook content standards, books with viewpoint discrimination, bias, a negative portrayal of the free enterprise system and U.S. citizenship and extremely objectionable or inappropriate content can be and have been approved," Leo said.

The board had greater control over textbook content until the passage of Senate Bill 1 in 1995. Now, state board members can reject only textbooks that fail to meet physical specifications, those that contain factual errors or those that do not cover the state's education curriculum.

However, the state board can indirectly control textbook content because it has authority over the state's curriculum. The last time the board revamped curriculum was in 1996, according to information from the Texas Education Agency.

Legislation similar to Howard's includes House Bill 973 by state Rep. Jerry Madden, R-Richardson, and House Bill 2534 by state Rep. Warren Chisum, R-Pampa. Chisum's bill also states that textbooks cannot "encourage lifestyles that deviate from generally accepted standards of society."


http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/legislature/11471142.htm
 

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It seems like every one sponsoring or supporting actions against evolution is a Republican. When did that become part of the platform? Surely, there must be some sane Republicans out there willing to say, "This is not our views. This is the narrow view of a small fanatical wing of our party."
 
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random_guy said:
It seems like every one sponsoring or supporting actions against evolution is a Republican. When did that become part of the platform? Surely, there must be some sane Republicans out there willing to say, "This is not our views. This is the narrow view of a small fanatical wing of our party."

Honestly, I know this is a misrepresentation, but when I think "Republican" I think "fanatical fundy." I think the more moderately sane right needs to speak up and demonstrate that they're not all completely off their rockers.
 
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random_guy said:
It seems like every one sponsoring or supporting actions against evolution is a Republican. When did that become part of the platform?
Since the year 2000, AFAIK.

2000 Texas Republican Party Platform said:
"We support individual teachers’ right to teach creation science in Texas public schools."
 
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Hydra009 said:
Actually...

"On the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the Earth."
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Is it possible to get a more specific answer from context? I'm not quite sure what he means with this.
 
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random_guy said:
Wow. Can I get a link for that? That's absolutely insane that Creationism is an actually party platform. Texas might have a heck of a good basketball team, but boy, you do not want your kids do go there.

And you do not want kids coming from there, especially not ones that become President.
 
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random_guy said:
It seems like every one sponsoring or supporting actions against evolution is a Republican. When did that become part of the platform? Surely, there must be some sane Republicans out there willing to say, "This is not our views. This is the narrow view of a small fanatical wing of our party."

Note my little elephant. Also, note the agnostic icon. We do exist.
 
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random_guy said:
Wow. Can I get a link for that?
http://www.rlctx.org/RLCTX/Texas Republican Party Platform 2000.htm

I'm positive Iowa and Oklahoma have similar planks.

Here's Iowa's plank: http://www.iowagop.org/stateplatform.aspx

"3.4. We believe that the local choice to teach creation science, or intelligent design science, should be allowed in government schools rather than exclusively teaching evolution as the only viable theory. We also believe that tax funded libraries should include creation science materials on their shelves."

Oklahoma's Plank: (Under "Cirriculum" heading) "23. We believe that in public schools where evolution is taught, creationism should be taught as well. We support disclaimers on any state-funded science textbook that treats evolution as fact rather than theory."

*edit - check out the 2004 Texas Republican Party Platform: http://www.texasgop.org/library/RPTPlatform2004.pdf

page 17 of the 2004 platform: "Scientific theories - The Party supports the objective teaching and equal treatment of scientific strengths and weaknesses of all scientific theories, including Intelligent Design - as Texas law requires but has yet to enforce. The Party believes theories of life origins and environmental theories should be taught only as theories and not as fact; that social studies and other cirriculum should not be based on any one theory."

That's absolutely insane that Creationism is an actually party platform.
Not really, when one considers one's political base and strong financial supporters.

*Obbi, I'm trying to double-check the info, it might take a few mintues*
 
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But my opinion is that most GOPers are moderate like myself. They are a little disturbed by the toxic culture and think that Creationism is a way of introducing God back into schools.

What they don't understand is thet the science classrooms is not the point to introduce God in the classrooms. I think they really don't know enough about the TOE to understand unlike Creationism there is some actual supporting scientific evidence.

They don't understand the TOE in the first place and this ignorance combined with their religious beliefs allow them to be politically manipulated.

Both parties have ways to manipulate people. Some GOPers have just happened to have found this wedge with the TOE.

random_guy said:
It seems like every one sponsoring or supporting actions against evolution is a Republican. When did that become part of the platform? Surely, there must be some sane Republicans out there willing to say, "This is not our views. This is the narrow view of a small fanatical wing of our party."
 
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Wow, what a great idea. The majority belief is what gets taught in school even if it's wrong. But don't worry, I'm sure the majority is qualified to tell teachers what to teach, thats why we have such an over abundance of high school teachers, over half of the population is qualified to be a school teacher.

Quite frankly I kind of want creationists to get included in schools, I can't wait to see what they would attempt to teach if they were allowed to create their own chapter all about creationism or ID. It would be a disaster. Which theory goes in the book? Would you have creationists fighting each other? What happens when they use one of their hoaxes or false claims?
It seems like allowing them to get their way would be the best way to let them embarass themselves, embarass those in politics that supported it and get the word out about the lies they promote.
 
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Spherical Time said:
You might have to do a search for "Scientific Theories" in the above to find the place where it supports the teaching of creationism.
Yeah. Sorry about that. It's buried in there somewhere.

*edit - sorry, Obbi. I couldn't find the full quote anywhere, just that one sentence, which is quoted in the news but I couldn't find a citation. I checked to see if it is a fake quote, and I'm relatively sure it isn't.

Here's an article I got the quote from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1866476.stm

A couple news articles about George W. Bush's stance on evolution:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/27/president.2000/evolution.create/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/creation082799.htm

*update - I think I found it:

"From Scripture you can gain a lot of strength and solace and learn life's lessons. That's what I believe, and I don't necessarily believe every single word is literally ture. I think that, for example, on the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the earth. I don't use the Bible as necessarily a way to predict the findings of science." George W. Bush (from the NY Times, Oct 22, 2000)

I couldn't find it at the NY Times site, so here's the best I have right now: http://users.erols.com/kmdavis/ev3a.html
 
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