Ezekiel 38 is over 1,000 years away

Just The Facts · Jan 2, 2004

Hi Hitch

I am asking in which battle after the Return or even before did the Jews kill so many people that it took seven months to bury the dead. This is stated in the chapter. Now I know History very well and such an event NEVER happened. So once again

8: After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

20: So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

11: And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog. 12: And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

One thing to note here No one from the House of Isarael returned with the Jews in 538 BC. And the above passage clearly states the House of Israel not the house of Judah.

Hi Willis

Is the word Trinity in the Bible .Noyet you add up verses to see that

here is Rev

15: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Now Isaiah

4: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

The verse from Isaiah makes it very clear it is a time of peace and Nations shall learn war no more.

Then there is also the fact that Jesus destroys

EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER FROM EVERY SINGLE ARMY FROM EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT on the face of the Earth.

14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

19: And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army...................21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Now we move on to Rev 20

6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So I guess Jesus will destroy all the Armies let the nations learn war no more. He will just go against all of the places where he talks against war in the Gospel and keep an army himself. IS he the Prince of peace or Not.

Just The Facts · Jan 2, 2004

Hi Ikster

I am not a seventh Day never even been to one of there Churches. And no she said lots of things that where a Lie. But we are not talking about their False Doctrines we are talking about the Baptists

What does that have to do with Killed Friday Sunday risen.

Does that teaching fit with scripture or is it an obvious lie.

Answer = LIE

Now as I said there are many other teachings that go to the core of what is wrong with Christianity this one being very minor.

The Baptists teach many things that are just a plain Lie a Myth ..a Fairy Tale..

Wills · Jan 2, 2004

Just The Facts said:
Hi Willis

Is the word Trinity in the Bible .Noyet you add up verses to see that

here is Rev

15: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Now Isaiah

4: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

The verse from Isaiah makes it very clear it is a time of peace and Nations shall learn war no more.

Hi Just the Facts,

The Bible mentions peace AFTER the 1000 years not during the 1000 year reign. The verses you quoted

describe what happens when Christ dashes evil to pieces with the rod of iron in the process

of judgement after the 1000 years.

See Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.

Christ actually destroys evil in the rod of iron action in his act of judgement .

Isaiah actually agrees with me because IT IS ABOUT POST JUDGEMENT

SEE?

4: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

We all know that Christ DOES NOT JUDGE BEFORE the 1000 years... only AFTER the 1000 years.

So again, I am right regarding PEACE only after the 1000 years.

Just The Facts said:
Then there is also the fact that Jesus destroys

EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER FROM EVERY SINGLE ARMY FROM EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT on the face of the Earth.

14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

19: And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army...................21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Does a sword that proceeded out of his mouth (GOSPEL) kill or end human lives and the slain BY GOSPEL may not result in total killing of the armies. What do you understand by sword from His mouth.?

You must realise that SIN does not take place ONLY IN THE ARMY. Even if armies are killed, hundreds of
millions of evil people still exist.
Prostitutes, The Internet inappropriate content evil, gambling, cocaine, civilian murderers, terrorists, scam artists, robbers, false teachers, witchcraft dabblers, MILLIONS........... as I said this Planet has evil in the heart of many
ordinary people WHO DO NOT FIGHT FOR THE US Army or Russian Army or the Chinese Army.

Just The Facts said:
Now we move on to Rev 20

6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So I guess Jesus will destroy all the Armies let the nations learn war no more. He will just go against all of the places where he talks against war in the Gospel and keep an army himself. IS he the Prince of peace or Not .

As I said, even if armies are destroyed in that action, we still have enough sin in hundreds of millions
of people... Las Vegas PROSTITUTES do not fight as soldiers AT ARMAGGEDON.. neither do Colombian drug Lords.. see?

Another major point is that Revelation 20:7-9 takes place AFTER THE 1000 years still talks about warring armies and we cannot prove that the people in Revelation 20:8 are RESURRECTED PEOPLE. Some may be , some may not---

SATAN AND THE NATIONS AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH warring after the 1000 years,... they are MILLIONS after the 1000 years. You cannot prove that there are no soldiers included and we know

that the Armageddon battle before the 1000 years does not kill non-soldiers such as murderers, cocaine dealers, gang members etc.

Armageddon does not kill

A. Soldiers on the sea, far away on sea based aircraft carriers
B. Navy personnel on cruisers, battleships etc
C. Air force personnel and long distance warplanes
D Soldiers in reserve battalions

So part of the infantry (foot soldiers) will perish at Armageddon...

Refer to GULF WAR 1 AND 2, WORLD WAR 2

ikester · Jan 2, 2004

Just The Facts said:
Hi Ikster

I am not a seventh Day never even been to one of there Churches. And no she said lots of things that where a Lie. But we are not talking about their False Doctrines we are talking about the Baptists

What does that have to do with Killed Friday Sunday risen.

Does that teaching fit with scripture or is it an obvious lie.

Answer = LIE

Now as I said there are many other teachings that go to the core of what is wrong with Christianity this one being very minor.

The Baptists teach many things that are just a plain Lie a Myth ..a Fairy Tale..

o.k....John Ch.20 v.1.......The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early..when it was yet dark..unto the sepulchre...and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre...

which gentiles began to worship on Sunday...the day of Resurrection...and day of Pentecost...not being a matter of law...but observance of the Lord's Resurrection...
so now do these... as you call fairy tales....supersede one's salvation....

enlighten me to more myths if you will....I'm trying to define your denomination so to speak...another guess...Church of God...

Linda8 · Jan 2, 2004

ikester said:
o.k....John Ch.20 v.1.......The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early..when it was yet dark..unto the sepulchre...and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre...

which gentiles began to worship on Sunday...the day of Resurrection...and day of Pentecost...not being a matter of law...but observance of the Lord's Resurrection...
.

Christ said He is the Lord of the Sabbath and gentiles were grafted into Israel spiritually [Paul in Romans]

Hence Christ would require gentiles to observe the sabbath as he Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath .. would

you agree ?

Just The Facts · Jan 5, 2004

Hi Ikster

Trying to put me into a neat little box are you.

You will not succeed because I follow ........... the Word............. the Lamb wherever he goes that means one thing may look Baptist then another JW then another Seventh Day then yet another Catholic for each has a piece of the Truth.

I did not say Jesus was not raised on Sunday I said he could not have been crucified on Friday.

Scripture is clear he was already risen on Sunday Morning which is the first day of the week.

Friday Night to Saturday day = 1 Day and 1 Night

Saturday night to Sunday before Dawn = 1/2 a day

Total = 1 1/2 days

Friday Murdered and Sunday risen is a Lie a Myth

Does it affect your salvation of course not there is Grace. It is just a Doctrine of the harlot. No one is excepted to know everything.

Now I know it is many people's position that the Catholics religion is evil and those who follow will not go to heaven.

Is this your positionand if so could you please point out to me what they do that is going to cost them salvation?

Myth # 2

To Kill for the State is not a violation of the true Christian Faith. This is a much more serious Doctrine of the harlot followed by almost All of Christianity.

Hi Willis

You seem to have a little misconception going on there I need to clarify your belief. Has the 1,000 years happened yet?

The reason I ask is because you seem to be missing the two judgement days one at the beginning of the 1,000 years (the Nations) and one at the end of the 1,000 years (the people)

At the start of the 1,000 the Saints are risen and the Nations are judged but not the rest of the dead that comes at what people call judgement day.

But in reality the first resurrection is Judgement day because while you may still be dead you have been judged and not found worthy of eternal life. True you will be raised after the 1,000 years but only to go to the lake of Fire.

The Book of the Lamb is opened at the Start of the 1,000 years the Book of actions or Works is opened after the 1,000 years. Rev 21 is the start of the 1,000 years not the end.

ikester · Jan 5, 2004

Just The Facts said:
Hi Ikster

Trying to put me into a neat little box are you.

You will not succeed because I follow ........... the Word............. the Lamb wherever he goes that means one thing may look Baptist then another JW then another Seventh Day then yet another Catholic for each has a piece of the Truth.

I did not say Jesus was not raised on Sunday I said he could not have been crucified on Friday.

Scripture is clear he was already risen on Sunday Morning which is the first day of the week.

Friday Night to Saturday day = 1 Day and 1 Night

Saturday night to Sunday before Dawn = 1/2 a day

Total = 1 1/2 days

Friday Murdered and Sunday risen is a Lie a Myth

Does it affect your salvation of course not there is Grace. It is just a Doctrine of the harlot. No one is excepted to know everything.

Now I know it is many people's position that the Catholics religion is evil and those who follow will not go to heaven.

Is this your positionand if so could you please point out to me what they do that is going to cost them salvation?

Myth # 2

To Kill for the State is not a violation of the true Christian Faith. This is a much more serious Doctrine of the harlot followed by almost All of Christianity.

Hi Willis

You seem to have a little misconception going on there I need to clarify your belief. Has the 1,000 years happened yet?

The reason I ask is because you seem to be missing the two judgement days one at the beginning of the 1,000 years (the Nations) and one at the end of the 1,000 years (the people)

At the start of the 1,000 the Saints are risen and the Nations are judged but not the rest of the dead that comes at what people call judgement day.

But in reality the first resurrection is Judgement day because while you may still be dead you have been judged and not found worthy of eternal life. True you will be raised after the 1,000 years but only to go to the lake of Fire.

The Book of the Lamb is opened at the Start of the 1,000 years the Book of actions or Works is opened after the 1,000 years. Rev 21 is the start of the 1,000 years not the end.

Hey JTF....I was trying to show reason for Sunday worship.....but now I realize what you were saying......sorry for the brain malfunction.....true... three days and nights from Friday does not equal Sunday morning.....

so now...thats the point of my questions to you....false doctines....knowledege of how some of these doctrines were incoporated is something I've not studied....

Just The Facts · Jan 6, 2004

Hi ikster

Lie or Myth #3 We are the bride of Christ................. this is a lie it is not true.

Holy Jerusalem is Gods tent or House in Heaven. In side it God and Jesus are the Temple.

3: And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

9: And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10: And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

The Church was never the Bride we are the Guests at the wedding This is not my doctrine IT IS JESUS' PLAIN WORDS

Mk:5:[34] And Jesus said to them, "CAN YOU MAKE WEDDING GUESTS fast while the bridegroom is with them?

Lk:2 [19] And Jesus said to them, "CAN THE WEDDING GUESTS FAST while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

Now I know Christianity led by the harlot has turned the PARABLE of the ten virgins into us being the Bride but JESUS ..The Lamb..The Wordsays we are the Guests. I followThe WORD the LAMBwhere ever he goes what about you?

ikester · Jan 7, 2004

Just The Facts said:
Hi ikster

Lie or Myth #3 We are the bride of Christ................. this is a lie it is not true.

Holy Jerusalem is Gods tent or House in Heaven. In side it God and Jesus are the Temple.

3: And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

9: And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10: And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

The Church was never the Bride we are the Guests at the wedding This is not my doctrine IT IS JESUS' PLAIN WORDS

Mk:5:[34] And Jesus said to them, "CAN YOU MAKE WEDDING GUESTS fast while the bridegroom is with them?

Lk:2 [19] And Jesus said to them, "CAN THE WEDDING GUESTS FAST while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

Now I know Christianity led by the harlot has turned the PARABLE of the ten virgins into us being the Bride but JESUS ..The Lamb..The Wordsays we are the Guests. I followThe WORD the LAMBwhere ever he goes what about you?

your right JTF...the way I read...the angel is showing John the bride..the New Jerusalem..and yes I have read where some say...those saved under the period of grace are the bride and the OT saints are the guest....

mylene · Jan 7, 2004

Just The Facts said:
. Rev 21 is the start of the 1,000 years not the end.

Incorrect.

End of 1000 years quote Rev 20:7 When the 1000 years are ended....

We see Rev 21 occurs after Rev 20:7 which is described directly in scripture as (4 corners of earth Rev 20:7) taking place at the end of the 1000 years.
Satan is thrown into the lake of fire in Rev 20:10 after his 4 nations deceit.

Then after Rev 20:11-15, John then sees Rev 21 in that order.

So Rev 21 is not the start of 1000 years. You have it totally reversed.

If you claim Rev 21 is the start of 1000 years then you imply Satan is thrown in lake of fire before the 1000 years since Satan in lake of fire takes place in Rev 20:10.

By saying Rev 21 is at the start of 1000 years, you contradict Rev 20:7 where Bible CLEALRY STATES Satan is free at the end of 1000 years) . So do you see why Rev 21 cannot be the start of 1000 year since Rev 20:7-10 (a previous time relative to Rev 21), is described as being at the END of the 1000 years.

The correct sequence of Rev 20:7 and Rev 21 is 1000 years, followed by Satan in lake of fire in Rev 20:11-15 , then followed by Rev 21 and that is true for that part of Revelation.

You are mistaken.

Why is Satan NEVER mentioned in Revelation 21 ?-- because he has been destroyed at end of 1000 years ALREADY in Rev 20:7-15

Just The Facts · Jan 7, 2004

Hi

Revelation is not a liner Time Line.

So if Holy Jerusalem does not come at the Start of the 1,000 years then where do the Risen Saints and Jesus rule on Earth for the 1,000 years. Where do the Nations bring their glory unto .

Sorry but you are trapped in a false doctrine of Revelation being a Liner Time Line it is not.

Rev 21 is Holy Jerusalem out of Heaven at the start of the 1,000 years

3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

they reign from Holy Jerusalem They are Risen and they Judge among the Nations

24: And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25: And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26: And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27: And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Sorry but you are mistaken those written in the Book of Life are risen at the start of the 1,000 years they first Judge the Nations then they rule the Nations from Holy Jerusalem.

Hitch · Jan 7, 2004

And the Bard thought he wrote the Comedy of Errors.

Just The Facts · Jan 7, 2004

Hi

Your continuing snide comments only show your true fruit and there by the absolute error of your doctrine and the True nature of the Sprit that leads you.

Unable to make any points with scripture you insult and do not even do that well.

keep up the good work Hitch.

Trish1947 · Jan 7, 2004

Hi ikster

Lie or Myth #3 We are the bride of Christ................. this is a lie it is not true.

Holy Jerusalem is Gods tent or House in Heaven. In side it God and Jesus are the Temple.

I am not a guest, I am a Priest, or King.. Thats from Jesus own lips too. Yes, there is a New Jerusalem, we are gone inside with Jesus, we are also His Temple, not made with hands. Where do you get this stuff?

We have been Made to sit in Heavenly Places ruling and Reigning, over Nations, that is not given to just a guest. We will see Him as he really is, and we shall be made like Him..Certainly not a guest.

Big Mouth Nana · Jan 7, 2004

Trish1947 said:
I am not a guest, I am a Priest, or King.. Thats from Jesus own lips too. Yes, there is a New Jerusalem, we are gone inside with Jesus, we are also His Temple, not made with hands. Where do you get this stuff?

We have been Made to sit in Heavenly Places ruling and Reigning, over Nations, that is not given to just a guest. We will see Him as he really is, and we shall be made like Him..Certainly not a guest.

Makes you wonder if people just scan the bible instead of actually reading it, doesn't it? The church is the bride of Christ. We will live in the New Jerusalem, and rule and reign with Christ 1000 years. People must be reading the Readers Digest instead of the bible if they can't understand the simplicity of the New Jerusalem and the 1000 year reign. just the facts has been "right on" this whole subject.

Just The Facts · Jan 8, 2004

Hi By his Grace

Yes it does make me wonder how else could they make such an error as you have made.

Hi Trish

Yes You are a priest or a King you are right those are Jesus plain words. That does not make you the Bride though does it.

Hear are some more PLAIN WORDS

[19] And Jesus said to them, "Can the wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

[34] And Jesus said to them, "Can you make wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them?

Now the KJV renders it Children but a child is still not the Bride.

So who is the Bride

9: And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10: And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

These are very plain words in deed Holy Jerusalem is the Bride

We are Guests or Sons or Priests and Kings but all of these are Guests at a wedding Honoured Guests to be sure but still guests Holy Jerusalem is the Bride.

Paul does use marriage as an analogy to show we need to submit to Jesus like a wife to her husband but it is an analogy it does not mean we ignore Jesus plain words.

You will not find one place where Jesus says we are the Bride Not One Single Verse.

BECAUSE IT IS A LIE............... IT IS A MYTH..................... IT IS NOT TRUE.

Ezekiel 38 is over 1,000 years away

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