Evolution debate experiences resurgence in Texas(article)/Aron Ra comments in it

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[font=arial,helvetica][size=-1]Mark Ramsey, founder of Texans for Better Science Education, opens up a science book to a section on evolution. His group lobbies publishers to remove information they believe is inaccurate.[/size][/font]

Evolution debate experiences resurgence in Texas

In 1925, the Scopes "Monkey" trial in Tennessee was the first shot fired in the war over teaching evolutionary theory in public schools. Now, 80 years later, new challenges have arisen all over the country, with 19 states reviewing the presentation of evolution in classrooms as science.
Challenges vary from lawsuits to school board debates over how evolution is taught. In January, United States District Court Judge Clarence Cooper ruled that stickers proclaiming that evolution is a theory, not a fact, must be removed from biology textbooks in Cobb County, Ga.


According to the Cobb County school board, the purpose of the stickers was to promote critical thinking. Texas School Board member Terri Leo, a Spring resident representing District 6, expressed a similar sentiment in an opening statement during the September 2003 hearings preceding the adoption of the current biology textbooks.

Leo quoted the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills (TEKS) state board operating rules that students must "analyze, review and critique scientific explanations, including hypotheses and theories, as to the strengths and weaknesses using scientific evidence and information."

"If we censor out scientific weakness, not only do biology textbooks not conform to State Board of Education rules and requirements, but we limit the best of our educators by directing them to avoid controversy and to try to remain politically correct," Leo said. "If students cannot learn to debate different viewpoints and to explore a range of theories in the classroom, what hope have we for civil discourse beyond the schoolhouse doors?"




There was some success in having disputed points in biology textbooks removed by publishers. Because of Texas' size and its budget for books, publishers generally cater to the state's guidelines for school texts.


Mark Ramsey's Texans for Better Science Education is a group of concerned citizens based in Spring. TBSE encourages teachers to supplement evolution education with information about "Intelligent Design" and other criticisms. Advocates of Intelligent Design posit that certain biological mechanisms, such as the human eye, indicate design rather than evolution. However, opponents argue that there is no empirical way to test for design by an unspecified intelligent being.


Ramsey's group also lobbies publishers to remove inaccuracies, including alleged weaknesses of evolution. His group was successful in having the disproved Haeckel embryo drawings removed from some of the 2004 biology textbooks used in Texas, Ramsey said. Haeckel's embryo drawings were used in the past to support evolution. The embryo drawings of a fish, tortoise, chick, and human were meant to show the similarities in appearance of the embryos supporting common ancestry.


"Darwin considered the drawings to be the best evidence for common ancestry," Ramsey said. "Haeckel literally used the same wood block carving for the different embryos. He pressed and inked each slightly differently."


Joe Miller and Ken Levine are writers for Prentice Hall, a high school biology textbook publisher with the largest share of the Texas market. They replaced the embryo drawings with accurate depictions from photomicrographs of embryos in 1998. According to Miller and Levine's Web site, www.millerandlevine.com, evolutionary biologists have long agreed that Haeckel's drawings are inaccurate. Despite this, the drawings were the basis for comparative embryology in textbooks from 1874 until relatively recently.


While there is no serious challenge to remove evolution from Texas biology textbooks, some science teachers feel pressured to alter their presentations of evolution. The National Science Teachers Association unveiled an informal survey a week before their national convention in Dallas last month. Close to 30 percent of the teachers surveyed felt pressured to de-emphasize or omit evolution from the science curriculum and to include alternatives like Intelligent Design. Teachers answered that the pressure most often comes from parents and students. But if there's one thing evolution's supporters and detractors agree on, it's that no one wants students to receive a poor science education.


"I want my children to be able to understand the theory well enough to think about it critically," Leo said in support of teaching both the strengths and weaknesses of evolution.


"Students should be critical of all scientific theories," said L. Aron Nelson, a paleontology student from Dallas with an extensive knowledge of evolutionary evidence. "You have to be, or it isn't science. But the theory of evolution is actually better-supported than the current theory of gravity, and children shouldn't be misled to be doubtful of the best-supported theories we have."


Nelson and most of the scientific community support teaching students about evolution without additions or deletions.
Leo will take a break from Texas School Board duties when she judges an online debate between Ramsey and Nelson. Nelson contends that most, if not all, of the "weaknesses of evolution" proposed by the TBSE are inaccurate or misrepresented. The debate will focus on how evolution is taught to Texas students and is scheduled for April 23 at www.texasevolutiondebate.bravehost.com. The TBSE Web site is www.strengthsandweaknesses.org.


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circulation 90,000.

I wanted to take a neutral viewpoint because I am a reporter not an opinion columnist. So I didn't use words like dishonest or deliberately misleading, etc.

I am hoping that the upcoming debate will expose people who wouldn't hear from both sides to have a more informed opinion.

Lily:wave:
 
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hopefully the truth will win out in the debate.

I included alot of the stuff we discuss here. The intimidation of science teachers, the lobbying by Creationist groups etc.

Everyone here is aware of most of this information. I wrote it for the less well informed.

Valkhorn said:
How come creationists want us to be critical of Evolution, yet they do not want anyone to be critical of creationism?
 
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hit the link to the article and click on voice your opinion. Your comment will appear at the bottom of the article and maybe into next week's letter to the editor column in the paper. Especially if you are from the Houston area. But if you have an on topic comment as well.

Bushido216 said:
I think the addition of Aron-Ra's comment did a good job for our side.

Nicely written article, Lilly.
 
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It's like a "everyone is equal but some are more equal than others" type of thinking. Be critical with evolution and know there are "other theories" out there, but don't be critical with the other theories, those you are meant to just accept.

I also find it amazing how some IDists treat high school books as if they are the end all to scientific research. When an IDist is attacking a school book, I have yet to hear them mention the real scientific organizations that go through high school and college books searching for errors (and easily finding them) to try and enact change. Or that they have a hard time doing this because the text book makers often don't listen, don't want to update the book, or have more important things to do.
 
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Valkhorn said:
How come creationists want us to be critical of Evolution, yet they do not want anyone to be critical of creationism?

Actually, evolutionists need to move-out-the-way so creationists can have opportunities to express ANYTHING at all in public education... This is why evolution is being critiqued. It is being presented as sound and without flaws and Creationism is TOTALLY IGNORED. Sorry, that is how it is.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Actually, evolutionists need to move-out-the-way so creationists can have opportunities to express ANYTHING at all in public education...

So... anyone with an opinion gets to comment on the scientific validity of a certain theory? Don't you see the basic problem with this?
 
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LittleNipper said:
Actually, evolutionists need to move-out-the-way so creationists can have opportunities to express ANYTHING at all in public education... This is why evolution is being critiqued. It is being presented as sound and without flaws and Creationism is TOTALLY IGNORED. Sorry, that is how it is.

Actually, heliocentrists need to move-out-the-way so geocentrists can have opportunities to express ANYTHING at all in public education... This is why heliocentrism is being critiqued. It is being presented as sound and without flaws and geocentrism is TOTALLY IGNORED. Sorry, that is how it is.

That's what happens to falsified theories. Especially ones that were falsified over 100 years ago.
 
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but if you look at his website. he says there are no transitional fossils. Alot of IDers accept most of the ToE but he says stuff like the different equine species like zebras, asses, and horses are variations within a kind.

As to textbook inaccuracies the next round of biology textbook adoptions in Texas is in 5 years. Scientists and evo supporters need to be more vocal and preempt the other side by lobbying to have inaccuracies removed and better examples of the ToE included.

There are still textbooks w/Peppered moths in them there has got to be a better adaption example than that to replace it.

Arikay said:
It's like a "everyone is equal but some are more equal than others" type of thinking. Be critical with evolution and know there are "other theories" out there, but don't be critical with the other theories, those you are meant to just accept.

I also find it amazing how some IDists treat high school books as if they are the end all to scientific research. When an IDist is attacking a school book, I have yet to hear them mention the real scientific organizations that go through high school and college books searching for errors (and easily finding them) to try and enact change. Or that they have a hard time doing this because the text book makers often don't listen, don't want to update the book, or have more important things to do.
 
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A creationist in ID skin. Interesting.

Hopefully some of the ID challenges will get more scientists off their butts to do something about it. Many scientists don't really comment because ID and creationism are considered laughable pseudo science, but since ID has found the political route and a way around things like quality peer review, it's becoming a challenge to correct science.
The problem with text books is they need to find a balance between accurate and simple. The Peppered moth example is simple and easy to understand. When some IDists find it acceptable to lie about the examples used, I don't think any example will escape criticism.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Actually, evolutionists need to move-out-the-way so creationists can have opportunities to express ANYTHING at all in public education... This is why evolution is being critiqued. It is being presented as sound and without flaws and Creationism is TOTALLY IGNORED. Sorry, that is how it is.
You know what?
You're right.
Other theories (and hypotheses, and guesses and religious ideas) deserve equal time.
We've been ignoring the flat earthers for far too long. Time for them to have equal time in the classroom!
We've been ignoring the Babylonian Creation account for far too long. It needs equal time in the science classroom!
We've been TOTALLY IGNORING the theory that Zeus creates lightning. This is just WRONG. Time for Zeus in the science classroom!

:doh:
 
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corvus_corax said:
You know what?
You're right.
Other theories (and hypotheses, and guesses and religious ideas) deserve equal time.
We've been ignoring the flat earthers for far too long. Time for them to have equal time in the classroom!
We've been ignoring the Babylonian Creation account for far too long. It needs equal time in the science classroom!
We've been TOTALLY IGNORING the theory that Zeus creates lightning. This is just WRONG. Time for Zeus in the science classroom!

:doh:

Zeus is pretty p!ssed that he's been left out this long already.
 
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there must be a better example considering the limited page space in the evolution chapter.

Big Rob said:
There's nothing wrong with Peppered moths. Only creationists seem to think so, but they aren't known for knowing what they're talking about.
 
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To add to that, something that I've been meaning to write more about sometime. I think the quickest way to cut creationists and IDists off from inserting bad science into text books has little to do with the information we teach about evolution but how we teach science in general. If students had a better grasp on science, how it's used, how far it goes, etc. And an understanding of logical fallacies. I think it would kill a lot of the IDist attempts.
A large majority of everyday creationists and IDists don't seem to have a solid grasp on the frame work of science. What is and isn't science and why. A solid grasp on science beats probably a good 75% of ID arguments.
 
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