Rapture

First, forgive me for quoting the Bible and getting the wording quite not right. I just don't have it with me.

It is written, Jesus will come again to judge the living and the dead. That is written in the Apostles Creed. It does not say, Jesus will come, give us a second chance and come one more time to judge the living and the dead. We are currently in our SECOND chance. This is our time to redirect our lives and live it as Jeus has taught us to live it.

There have been some prophacies stating there will be a warning in the skies before Jesus' second coming in order to give humanity a final chance to redeem themselves and turn their lives around.

As the Bible says, we do not know the time which God has chosen for the final judgement. It is in God's time, not man's time.

Aerometis said:

I was reading that most Catholics believe that the Rapture of the Church will be post Tribulation. Is this a Dogma of the Church? Is this the official teaching of the Catholic Church or is there an official teaching about the Rapture?

Personally I believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture of the Faithful much like in the Left Behind book series. I just wondered if the Church had any official teachings about the Rapture.

Darryl

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Darryl . . I hate to burst your bubble, but this is a heresy the Catholic Church condemns . .

It is based on millenialism, and the Church has condemned millenialism in all its forms . ..

Such a belief as you are personally holding to is new . it surfaced in the 1800's with a man named Darby . . . and it has spawned numerous heretical sects, including Jehovah's Witnesses, and Adventists (which were heretical like the JW's regarding the Trinity until the 1950's).

There is no 7 years tribulation . . there is no pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib rapture . .

There is no 1000 year reign of Christ on earth .. .


The Church supports Amillenialism . .we are in the millenium now . . it is of an indeterminate length.

The Church also permist PostMillenialism and partial perterism.

But millenialism, millenarianism, Dispensationalism are indisputedly condemned by the Church.


And having been a dispensatoinalist for 30 years, after my conversion to Catholicism, I went head to head with the dispensatoinalists here at CF last year . . I told them that it would be easier for me if dispensationalism was true, but that becaues of what I had learned, I did not want to continue believing it if it were not true . . . so I challanged them to prove it . . . and they could not prove that the foundations for their beliefs were supported by scripture in any way.

Dispensationalism is based on conjecture, myths and wild speculaitons. . . nothing concrete, and nothing provable . . .


It is a terrible deception . . one I am VERY glad that God has delivered me from . .



Peace in Him!

The Church never taught the rapture. It's a protestant idea.

The funny thing is, the verses that that heretic LaHaye and those who have influenced him that "prove" the "Rapture" actually pertain to the Second Coming of Christ, that will be VERY PUBLIC:

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." (1 Thess. 4:16-17)

Note it says WITH A LOUD COMMAND... and with the trumpet call of God.

Doesn't really ring of this "secret rapture" where "believers" vanish into thin air.

In fact, Jesus says (Matthew 24:30-31): “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

ALL THE NATIONS WILL SEE JESUS COMING AGAIN!!!!

Let's also look some more at Matthew 24 (see also Luke 17):

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." (v. 37-41).

Supposedly the ones "left behind" are non-believers. WRONG!!!

Jesus said, "as in Noah's day" -- and who was left behind when the flood came? THE RIGHTEOUS!!!!

Those "taken" were the evil.

Am I misinterpreting? No. Read Luke 17:30-37 where Jesus talks about "one taken, one left behind" prompting his audience to ask:

"Where, Lord?" they asked.

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Obviously this is not a question asking, "Where were they left behind?" because that makes no sense! The people asked simply, "WHERE WERE THEY TAKEN?"

Jesus then replies: “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.” (v. 37)

Does that sound like where the "believers" -- the "righteous" go? NO.

The Rapture is a man-made, false, evil doctrine created to manipulate people, people who fear suffering.

And Tim LaHaye (though he didn't make it up), is laughing all the way to the bank... THAT is "Rapture" for him anyway.

Hoonbaba said:

The Church never taught the rapture. It's a protestant idea.

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The Church doesn't teach a secret rapture. But the Church very much believes in the rapture at the end of the world at the second coming.

anawim said:

The Church doesn't teach a secret rapture. But the Church very much believes in the rapture at the end of the world at the second coming.

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As far as I know, we don't call it the rapture . . that is a dispensationalist term . ..


Peace in Him!

thereselittleflower said:

As far as I know, we don't call it the rapture . . that is a dispensationalist term . ..


Peace in Him!

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It comes from the Latin word, rapiemur, which appears in the Latin Vulgate translation. In Greek it's parousia. (1 Thes. 4:17)

anawim said:

The Church doesn't teach a secret rapture. But the Church very much believes in the rapture at the end of the world at the second coming.

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Yes, the key word is a secret rapture. The Protestant idea has Jesus coming back three times! That's no where in scripture.

It's an easy was out, thinking God will protect them from the tribulation.

Read: "The Rapture Trap" - the book is awesome!

anawim said:

It comes from the Latin word, rapiemur, which appears in the Latin Vulgate translation. In Greek it's parousia. (1 Thes. 4:17)

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I understand this is where they got the term . . . (funny how they turn to the Latin after rejecting the Church )

All I was saying is that we don't use the term "Rapture" in the Catholic Church . . . the term "Rapture" was coined by Darby in the 19th century. It means more than just what the word "rapiermur" means . . . it refers to a doctrine of dispensationalism . .

The Catholic Church rejects this dispensationalist doctrine . . for it iinvolves 3 comings of Christ instead of 2, one of which is secret . . . This is a false doctrine.


Peace in Him!

JeffreyLloyd said:

Yes, the key word is a secret rapture. The Protestant idea has Jesus coming back three times! That's no where in scripture.

It's an easy was out, thinking God will protect them from the tribulation.

Read: "The Rapture Trap" - the book is awesome!

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I not only read "The Rapture Trap", I also read "Will Catholics Be Left Behind", by Carl Olsen, and I also read "Rapture: The End Times Error That Leaves the Bible Behind", by David Currie.

Since I don't go around speaking Latin, until somebody comes up with a better, Catholic, English word, I will continue to use the word rapture.

Catholic teaching in regards to the rapture that we should be living every day as though it were our last on earth.

Michelle

Miss Shelby said:

Catholic teaching in regards to the rapture that we should be living every day as though it were our last on earth.

Michelle

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Funny... I think that's what Jesus taught too!